National Democratic party of Sweden

[Weltschmerz]

I was asked by Ferran, who told me about this forum, to post some information in English about www.nd.se (website in the Swedish language). Please note that I am not an official representative of www.nd.se

They're a National Democratic party and the second biggest nationalist party in Sweden.

It was originally formed by members of the biggest nationalist party who felt that something was missing. The National Democrats are nationalists based on ethnicity, whereas the biggest nationalist party has taken the "politically correct" strand of merely conceptual nationalism (and hence they lack the philosophical, practical and stringent notion of what constitutes Sweden and Europe that the National Democrats are the embodiment of).

To compensate for a sectarian split-up of national interests, they have sought to cooperate with other nationalist groups - including the party that the formers originally came from - in elections. In Sweden so far no nationalist party is represented in parliament, but many nationalists expect that to change after the next election in 2010.

The National Democrats have an ethnic pathos that extends beyond the borders of Sweden. They have contacts with nationalists in other European countries, and their current secretary, Vávra Suk, is Chech. In my humble opinion National Democracy is a viable alternative for all Europeans residing in Sweden!

E-mail: info@nd.se

[Ferran]

Thank you for letting us know about them, Freke. In Sweden there are many problems which could hardly go unnoticed for anyone living there, therefore any serious (and sincere) nationalist initiative wanting to fight this is refreshing and hope they hit the right note so they can reach the highest number of desillusioned people as posible.

By the way, the other Swedish nationalist party you are referring to might be Sverigedemokraterna? I read they obtained a 3% in the last national elections, quite a good result taking into account European standards, although if as you say they surrendered to political correctness (maybe a la Haider?), I don't really know if it's so positive...


PS: Welcome here btw.

[Weltschmerz]

Thanks, it's good to be here

Originally Posted by Ferran

By the way, the other Swedish nationalist party you are referring to might be Sverigedemokraterna?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Ferran

I read they obtained a 3% in the last national elections, quite a good result taking into account European standards, although if as you say they surrendered to political correctness (maybe a la Haider?), I don't really know if it's so positive...

I am happy about SD (Sveridedemokraterna) success since it brings awareness about important issues, but there are also many problems with them. For example they don't seem to understand that ND (Nationaldemokraterna/National Democrats) were founded because of disagreement about both ideology and practical politics. Since SD think that they're the only party with something to say, they refused to cooperate with ND in the 2006 election.

Actual political disagreement between ND and SD:

SD favour integration. They say that anyone who feels swedish, appears to be swedish and who also is able to abide by the law and work in Sweden is in fact Swedish.

ND oppose integration. For as long as there are larger groups of orientals, asians and africans in Sweden, they prefer to have them under control. The goal is to have them returned to their origin.

SD want only to reduce immigration.

ND promise to stop it until new policies for immigration are outlined.

SD refuse to identify with other European nationalists.

ND openly cooperates with other European nationalists.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Freke

I am happy about SD (Sveridedemokraterna) success since it brings awareness about important issues, but there are also many problems with them. For example they don't seem to understand that ND (Nationaldemokraterna/National Democrats) were founded because of disagreement about both ideology and practical politics. Since SD think that they're the only party with something to say, they refused to cooperate with ND in the 2006 election.

From what I understand, Nationaldemokraterna was a split of Sverigedemokraterna after the latter moved towards a Liberal stance similar to Dansk Front.

Actual political disagreement between ND and SD:

SD favour integration. They say that anyone who feels swedish, appears to be swedish and who also is able to abide by the law and work in Sweden is in fact Swedish.

ND oppose integration. For as long as there are larger groups of orientals, asians and africans in Sweden, they prefer to have them under control. The goal is to have them returned to their origin.

Funny. Can't think of what makes SD different from other parties according to that..

SD want only to reduce immigration.

ND promise to stop it until new policies for immigration are outlined.

Reducing the flow of immigrants is like doing nothing. Alright, maybe it delays ethnic disintegration by a few years.. big deal! Stopping immigration is a good start.. prior to reverting the effects of immigration, which should be the final goal.

SD refuse to identify with other European nationalists.

ND openly cooperates with other European nationalists.

Ah! This is really funny! SD refuses to identify with other European nationalists yet it accepts assimilating immigrants as Swedish nationals!

What's the logics behind that? Neo-nordicism of some kind?

Originally Posted by Freke

The National Democrats have an ethnic pathos that extends beyond the borders of Sweden. They have contacts with nationalists in other European countries, and their current secretary, Vávra Suk, is Chech. In my humble opinion National Democracy is a viable alternative for all Europeans residing in Sweden!

Not something that I would agree with as it breaks the concept of ethnic preservation. But I suppose that that may be a luxury that cannot be afforded in Sweden.

I see that ND has/had relations with the BNP.. I wonder, is ND also a White Nationalist party like BNP? The BNP is alien to the National Democrat group.

[Menydh]

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Welcome Freke.

[Franze]

I knew SD and in skadi they were very happy with SD, but ND are more interesting, it seems.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Peter

I knew SD and in skadi they were very happy with SD

If we consider the Nordicist background of Skadi and its hostility against [non Germanic] Europeans, then this makes sense:

Originally Posted by Freke

SD favour integration.

SD want only to reduce immigration.

SD refuse to identify with other European nationalists.

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Freke

SD refuse to identify with other European nationalists.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What's the logics behind that? Neo-nordicism of some kind?

Not at all. (Unless you count Finns, Hungarians and Henrik Larsson as Nordids ) No, the thing is they think ties with European nationalists will incriminate them with racism. And they don't want that. They have antiracist logos on their website and participate officially in walks against racism. SD have a politically correct and false notion of what a nation is.

Originally Posted by Freke

The National Democrats have an ethnic pathos that extends beyond the borders of Sweden. They have contacts with nationalists in other European countries, and their current secretary, Vávra Suk, is Chech. In my humble opinion National Democracy is a viable alternative for all Europeans residing in Sweden!

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Not something that I would agree with as it breaks the concept of ethnic preservation. But I suppose that that may be a luxury that cannot be afforded in Sweden.

It is still possible and ND wants it for sure, but according to ND themselves they are also an alternative for Europeans as opposed to africans, arabs and asians. That doesn't mean that they are afraid of being Swedish in any way, or that they don't value the nordic races. If you want more detail, you should e-mail them, but we can have a general discussion about them still.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I see that ND has/had relations with the BNP.. I wonder, is ND also a White Nationalist party like BNP? The BNP is alien to the National Democrat group.

A real good thing about ND is that they are not afraid of cooperation with similar groups. They can cooperate and still have their own political ideology.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Freke

Not at all. (Unless you count Finns, Hungarians and Henrik Larsson as Nordids )

Well.. Finns seem to count themselves as Nordics. Do you meant that this guy is a SD supporter? Uh..!

No, the thing is they think ties with European nationalists will incriminate them with racism. And they don't want that.

Denial doesn't work unless it is real. And not even then.

They have antiracist logos on their website and participate officially in walks against racism. SD have a politically correct and false notion of what a nation is.

I understand.

It is still possible and ND wants it for sure, but according to ND themselves they are also an alternative for Europeans as opposed to africans, arabs and asians. That doesn't mean that they are afraid of being Swedish in any way, or that they don't value the nordic races. If you want more detail, you should e-mail them, but we can have a general discussion about them still.

I'd rather we have some discussion first.

I have seen enough of Nordicism to allow me to come to some interesting conclusions. Which is why I am asking instead of working on prejudgements.

If Nationalism in the Nordic countries needs to take Nordicism as a basis for constructing an ideological or political line, that is alright providing that we all know where we stand. In other words, providing that there is a clear divisory line. If I must be honest (and I absolutely must be here), I have come to see a convenience and even a desire for this line to be drawn.

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Well.. Finns seem to count themselves as Nordics. Do you meant that this guy is a SD supporter? Uh..!

I don't know. But an SD official said that Zlatan Ibrohimovic has a foreign body language and hence should be regarded as a foreigner, whereas Henrik Larsson should be regarded as a Swede.

Finns are generally predominantly Baltid and also have frequent Lappid admixtures, whereas the endemic variety in Sweden is Cro-Magnid, Battle-Ax, Nordid and Faelid. Lappids (Samer) exist but haven't blended much with other Swedes; they have their own Lappid community.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

If Nationalism in the Nordic countries needs to take Nordicism as a basis for constructing an ideological or political line, that is alright providing that we all know where we stand. In other words, providing that there is a clear divisory line. If I must be honest (and I absolutely must be here), I have come to see a convenience and even a desire for this line to be drawn.

Personally I am not in favour of the typical nordicist idea of homogenuity. I think that the traditional Cro-Magnid, Battle-Ax, Nordid and Faelid types along with the many admixtures of these are what need to be regarded as typically Swedish. Those have a very long and continuous history here. They are and should be the Swedish majority. The knowledge about their history needs to be teached at school along with teachings about those types most closely related to them.

In addition I sincerely believe that all germanic countries can benefit culturally as well as genetically from a moderate exchange of germanic individuals between them.

In contrast I believe that a nordicist programme aimed at making everyone flaxen-blond and clear-blue eyed will sooner or later result in genetic degeneration. These individuals have their natural heimat here, but it is not implied that they are the only ones with rights to be in Sweden. For example, very probably, Tydal Cro-Magnids were here long before them.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Freke

I don't know. But an SD official said that Zlatan Ibrohimovic has a foreign body language and hence should be regarded as a foreigner, whereas Henrik Larsson should be regarded as a Swede.

Larsson doesn't look like Swedish to me, but Ibrohimovic doesn't sound as Swedish either.

Whatever, SD is not an option that I would give my support if they were here.

Personally I am not in favour of the typical nordicist idea of homogenuity. I think that the traditional Cro-Magnid, Battle-Ax, Nordid and Faelid types along with the many admixtures of these are what need to be regarded as typically Swedish. Those have a very long and continuous history here. They are and should be the Swedish majority. The knowledge about their history needs to be teached at school along with teachings about those types most closely related to them.

A presumed Nordic homogeneity that has never existed. As far as I'm concerned, the problem with Nordicism is not whatever proposals they have for Scandinavia --which is not of my concern-- but the verbal hostility and abuse against Europeans which is inherent to Nordicism, which also diverts any efforts from the needed targets. In other words, Nordicism is the European Man's Burden.

If they [Nordicists] are not capable of showing a due respect and a reasonable degree of non-idiocy, then they must be absolutely quarantined and anything related to it kept in isolation. And the reality is that they are incapable to meet those minimum requirements.

In addition I sincerely believe that all germanic countries can benefit culturally as well as genetically from a moderate exchange of germanic individuals between them.

Much of the so-called Germanic world does not meet the ethno-racial "standards" which should apply to Scandinavia. For example, Germany and Austria. Or vice versa.

In contrast I believe that a nordicist programme aimed at making everyone flaxen-blond and clear-blue eyed will sooner or later result in genetic degeneration.

This already happened with Nietzche's sister and her husband's experiment in Colonia Nueva Germania, in Paraguay.

They selected a number of people in Germany which they considered Nordic and in order to isolate them from the rest of the population they "transplanted" them to a new isolated colony in Paraguay.

The levels of genetic degeneration in the colony was so high that only mixing with native Indians saved them from turning into a colony of total retards.

The Schweikhart brothers from Colonia Nueva Germania


:::::: © Nueva Germania, Paraguay © ::::::

These individuals have their natural heimat here, but it is not implied that they are the only ones with rights to be in Sweden. For example, very probably, Tydal Cro-Magnids were here long before them.

Of course.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

This already happened with Nietzche's sister and her husband's experiment in Colonia Nueva Germania, in Paraguay.

They selected a number of people in Germany which they considered Nordic and in order to isolate them from the rest of the population they "transplanted" them to a new isolated colony in Paraguay.

Is Colonia Dignidad in Chile somehow related to this?

[Menydh]

No. And apparently it is neither related to anything "dignity". The founder of that colony arrived in Chile after being accused of child abuses in Germany.