Ivan Georgiev and the Bulgarian National-Radical Party (BNRP)

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

In the world's histroy the masons always wanted to destroy the monarchy. A good example for that is the so called "Great" French revolution, organized by masons, who wanted to destroy the God given state - the absolute monarchy.

Yes, monarchy is a natural system. The only one, I may add.

Do you mean that Dr. Georgiev si too old and he has nostalgia for the past?

A debate could be made on monarchy, but note also that monarchy is no guarantee for a good government. Look at some European morachies of today: Great Britain, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Sweden, Denmark, Norway...not very traditional or nationalistic governments...

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by prometheus

A debate could be made on monarchy, but note also that monarchy is no guarantee for a good government. Look at some European morachies of today: Great Britain, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Sweden, Denmark, Norway...not very traditional or nationalistic governments...

All do respect to this nations but the constitutional monarchy is a pityful likeness to the real monarchy. Bishop Petrogradski said that "the monarchy is not always pleasant for the people, but it's always useful".
The monarch is the God's anointed person on the earth. Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's not, but he's always the one who gatheres the nation.

[Feldmarschall]

Everyone in Bulgaria knows, that Ivan Georgiev is a psyho.
He hasn't any support of the Bulgarian nationalists

[Feldmarschall]

Originally posted by Desko

Oh, that child-idiot Feldmarschall.
He will tell you that "Ataka" is the best of course!
That's his job. He do this all the time.
The bulgarian nationalist in this moment will tell you that "Ataka" party is not nationalistic party...Volen Siderov just lie the people for money of course!

The idiot are you, Desko!
Ataka have full support of the Bulgarian nationalists!
Ataka's leader Volen Siderov takes about 24% of the vote in the last
presidential elections! He has placed second behind the communist Georgi Parvanov, who wins again after 2001.
All pathetic anti-Ataka loosers must shut up!
You are worthless. You are liars.
You support the criminals like the leader of so called "Bulgarian National Alliance"-Boyan Rassate, who kills 2 men!
The leader of the BNRP-Ivan Georgiev is an insane man! All Bulgarians know about his psyhological problems!!
You are shame for the Bulgarian nationalism!

[tankistabg]

We should respect the BNRP becauset tried to do something 15 years ago. But now its not its time because they played their role in history(a great 1 million strike agaist the resurrection of the turks names in bg)

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by tankistabg

We should respect the BNRP becauset tried to do something 15 years ago. But now its not its time because they played their role in history(a great 1 million strike agaist the resurrection of the turks names in bg)

That is correct. While BNRP and Dr. Georgiev surrounded the Parliament to protest against the turks and their party, Volen Siderov wrote in the newspaper that is not democratic thing not to have a turkish party in Bulgaria.

By the way, Dr. Georgiev is the only man in Bulgaria who put Ilia Minev (one of the biggest fighters against communism, who "laid" in concentration camp for 30 years) in the politics list of BNRP. Noone wanted to had something in common with Ilia Minev. And some of this boys now called themselves anti-communists. Nonsense!

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

That is correct. While BNRP and Dr. Georgiev surrounded the Parliament to protest against the turks and their party, Volen Siderov wrote in the newspaper that is not democratic thing not to have a turkish party in Bulgaria.

By the way, Dr. Georgiev is the only man in Bulgaria who put Ilia Minev (one of the biggest fighters against communism, who "laid" in concentration camp for 30 years) in the politics list of BNRP. Noone wanted to had something in common with Ilia Minev. And some of this boys now called themselves anti-communists. Nonsense!

Yes they put Ilia Minev but, If you read the book "the new secret history" by one of the Ilia Minev friends - Eltimir there is something like a biographi of Minev. After 1990 he wanted to create a separate anti-communist party after the SDS didn't accept him because he was a "fascist"

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

José Antonio Primo de Rivera, who was an Aristocrat himself, spoke of the Monarchy as an institution gloriously deceased. I don't even agree with him there, since he refered to the end of the reign of Alfonso XIII. It would have been more appropriate if he had refered to the end of the Hispanic Monarcs, after which foreign interests tainted the Spains.

However, it is also true that monarchy is a more natural system to man than others. And in fact other political systems often seek to perpetuate themselves in a similar fashion to that of monarchies.

One problem with monarchy can be explained with what you tell about Dr. Georgiev. He is 60 years old and I assume that he doesn't find anyone who can relief him. Therefore, there is no continuity.

Well, if I think twice about it, you may be right in a certain, let's say, a bit cynical sense. There is some strange propensity to monarchical rule in the mankind. Whatever civilization you consider, always much more monarchies will be found than republics. Rome before Augustus, (some)Greek city-states, Venice, Genoa, Dubrovnik, Novgorod, some German Hanseatic towns - I cannot recall other republics in the pre-modern times. And these "republics" were quite different from what is understood under this term nowadays.

United States of America were the first republic (with the exception of the Cromwellian Commonwealth) in the modern sense. Many other states that wanted to be republics, imitated this source. Moreover, they were first to invent the office of the "president of the Republic." But if we look closer, what does "president" means? It is a caricature of the king. Aping the king is visible even in the way the president represents and embodies the sovereignity of a nation, in the similar ways kings had done in the past. President seems to be a democratically elected king...

So through this argumentation, we could come to the conclusion that every system of governance has a tendence to ape monarchy. However, I find something repulsive in the very notion of monarchy, because it somehow presupposes that the ruler is proprietor of a country, while the nation as such does not count. Having a divinely anointed master over a nation somehow seems to me as diametrically opposite to nationalism.

Again, I say, there is no perfect mode of governance, to me monarchy is one among others. I would favour it maybe over liberal democracy. Some countries which have monarchical traditions, why shouldn't they continue them? But it is questionable, once monarchy is abolished, if it is wise or even possible to renew it.

I would be in favour of a sort of authoritarian rule at any rate, not liberal democracy. Some personality which would embody national virtues and transcend political division, and would be chosen by the people on a plebiscite for an indetermined time to be in office. This would be maybe better than monarchy...

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by tankistabg

Yes they put Ilia Minev but, If you read the book "the new secret history" by one of the Ilia Minev friends - Eltimir there is something like a biographi of Minev. After 1990 he wanted to create a separate anti-communist party after the SDS didn't accept him because he was a "fascist"

Well, you can ask Eltimir about Ilia Minev and BNF - Bulgarian National Front created in USA. They didn't wanted Ilia Minev to join BNRP and the result is that he died in poverty. God rests his soul. In 1988-1989 Ilia Minev told Trenchev to make a professional organization and to priest Totju to make a christian organization. After that Ivan Georgiev wanted him in his party but BNF and Ivan Dochev screwed Ilia Minev. That's the bottom line.

[Rodozashtitnik]

I think that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are comprehensive about the monarchy and it's poor substitude the republic.

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

I think that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are comprehensive about the monarchy and it's poor substitude the republic.

But European courts all over Europe were full of Freemasonry, in 18th and
19th century...Members of royal families and aritocrats contributed to turmoils of 19th century.

[Feldmarschall]

Eltimir is also a psyho like Ivan Georgiev!

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

I think that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are comprehensive about the monarchy and it's poor substitude the republic.

Would you prefer someone from the Saxen-Coburg-Gotha dynasty to be the future king of Bulgaria, or someone completely new, from purely Bulgarian extraction?

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by Feldmarschall

Eltimir is also a psyho like Ivan Georgiev!

If he wasn't a pagan then he had a chance to look like a normal person...

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by prometheus

But European courts all over Europe were full of Freemasonry, in 18th and
19th century...Members of royal families and aritocrats contributed to turmoils of 19th century.

Yes, that was the purpose of the masons - to destroy the monarchy.

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Would you prefer someone from the Saxen-Coburg-Gotha dynasty to be the future king of Bulgaria, or someone completely new, from purely Bulgarian extraction?

That dynasty died when the commies murdered tsar Boris III. His son is a mason and a communist bed-pan. I think there's nobody who is honest enough and a man of Orthodox fate to be a Tsar. I hope someone proves me wrong.

[Feldmarschall]

Stop discuss to this psyho - Ivan Georgiev.
He doesn't deserve any attention!
He isn't a nationalist,but a national traitor! He served to the communists all time!!!

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by Feldmarschall

Stop discuss to this psyho - Ivan Georgiev.
He doesn't deserve any attention!
He isn't a nationalist,but a national traitor! He served to the communists all time!!!

Nobody's interested of Volen Siderov. Sorry.