Peronism

[Silas]

I would like some info on Peronism

Any Argentinians around?

[Strengthandhonour]

I am not an Argentinean but I know a little bit about it.
There is some Argentineans around here though.
What I can tell you about Peron is that a lot of people have a very flawed view of what he believed and worked for. A lot of Argentineans I have known believe that Peron was a man who introduced a lot of workers rights that the country had not seen before. A lot of people believe that Peron was a nazi, this is not true.
Peron certainly respected fascism and never dared to hide his respect and appreciation for Mussolini, but I don't think Peron was a fascist. There was some parallels between fascism, such as a strong centralized government and freedom from foreign influences. As far I know he never showed any respect or close views to Hitler, people often mistake that just because Peron gave refuge to many individuals from the third reich that he was some sort of nazi.
I know the Italian and German army had a strong influence on the Argentine armed forces. I heard that in the 1900's 8 out of 10 of the main military instructors at the Argentine military academy were Germans. But anyways, I am sure some of the Argentineans can give you better information.

[Menydh]

Not on Peronism as such, but MDIEIR posted a biography on Eva Perón here: eva peron

[Erasmus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Not on Peronism as such, but MDIEIR posted a biography on Eva Perón here: eva peron

She promised him some info... on April!!!

I was googling for some info in English but, unfortunately, the most of entries are from Anglosaxon or Jewish sources (hostiles to Peronism indeed) Read the definition of Peronism from Answers.com:


1. An economic, political, and social ideology called Justicialismo (social justice). The combination of nationalism, social democracy and devotion to Juan Domingo Peron.

2. A form of government in Argentina that is statist, exhalts nationalism and attempts to accommodate the interests of and business, industry, labor and the poor. This form of government highly subsidizes its military, private industry, public works, and the poor. Post World War II, Peronism has been highly influential in Argentine politics and has resulted in Argentina's record for its inefficiency, bankrupt civil services, profitless industries and strong unions. Peronistic governments have also been accused pursuing policies that abuse the human rights of Argentine citizens.

3. The policies of Juan Peron.

peronism: Information from Answers.com

P.S.: yesterday I saw Ay, Juancito!, the life of Juan Duarte, Evita's brother

[Marulus]

Both Marxists and Western-American capitalists always hated and reviled Peron and Peronism. For that reason I started instinctively to like Peron...

[Truth-Finder]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

Peron certainly respected fascism and never dared to hide his respect and appreciation for Mussolini, but I don't think Peron was a fascist. There was some parallels between fascism, such as a strong centralized government and freedom from foreign influences ... people often mistake that just because Peron gave refuge to many individuals from the third reich that he was some sort of nazi.

He respected and admired much of Musolinni's policy but I don't think he was really a Nazi.
As strengthandhonour said, he gave refuge to many nazis not because of nazism but because we wanted argentina to become a performing country in HIgh Tech; he was interested in German technology and Know-How.
He gave refugeto Richter who was responsible for the Third Reich atomic bomb program and Argentina had her own nuclear weapon as early as 1947. Today is even a very performing country in atomic energy and has been exporting for the last 30 years atomic technlogy abroad and in 2000 sold a nuclear reactor to Australia.
But that's not the point here.
He got also german instructors for the army Intelligence services.

Peronism is IMO nothing but another expression of argentine nationalism; before Peron all rail way, gas companies and other were ran by foreign companies. He got them all nationalized so that vital communications and ressources would be controlled by national entities and capital...but all his efforts were demolished by his self-claimed successor Menem and his suspectious ultra-liberalism who sold every national company to foreign industrial groups under doubtfull conditions.

[Truth-Finder]

About the myth of Peron himself consealing Nazies in Argentina I need to get more informed about that (from objective sources) but my opinion is that he did not shelter war criminal; Richter was just a scientist working under the Nazi Regime, same as Von Braun who was shaltered by the americans -But no body said nothing Trumann or Eisy for that , right?.
Most of criminals who were later caught in Argentina had entered the country under a false identity.

[Erasmus]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Both Marxists and Western-American capitalists always hated and reviled Peron and Peronism. For that reason I started instinctively to like Peron...

Another reason: Perón issued 34.000 visas to Croatians

Ante Pavelić - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

[Truth-Finder]

Originally Posted by Erasmus

Another reason: Perón issued 34.000 visas to Croatians

Anything wrong with that?
In fact if I remember well during his regency he issued a 15-years immigration plan which specified that immigrants to enter in to Argentine terrotory should be in preference "Culturalmente asimilables" i.e. "Of assimilable Cultural background".
Just imagine the scandal would provoque today if any european country would issue such an immigratory policy...

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Erasmus

Another reason: Perón issued 34.000 visas to Croatians

Ante Pavelić - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

Of course, for this reason too. I knew that many Croatians fled to Argentina after the second world war, but was not aware of this so big number of visas (34 000).

One of the most prominent Croats living in Argentina was Mirko Eterovic. He was professor of Classical Philology at the University of Córdoba. In 1999, at the age of 85, he was "accused" by the president of the Argentinian section of Simon Wiesenthal Center, Victor Ramos, for allegedly having been head of a concentration camp on the island of Brač during the second world war. At Ramos' incitation Croatia requested Eterovic' s extradition and subsequently the man was expelled from Argentina and extradited to Croatia, where he was supposed to stand trial.

Croatian Ministry of Interior investigated claims made by the Jew Ramos. Claims were declared as completely unfounded. There was no concentration camp on Brač during the second world war, so Eterovic could not have been head of a non-existing camp. Nevertheless, the retired professor spent the remaining few months of his life in one of Zagreb's hospitals. He died alone and betrayed by his both homelands, Croatia and Argentina. It is incredible how Jew swindlers exert an influence on sovereign states these days.

A total shame!

[Fernando Astiz]

Peronism is very similar to the ideas Otto Strasser (NSDAP's left wing) had. Peronism has many different schools of thought, but in the end it simply means Argentina for Argentinians (not boliguayans!). The spirit and heritage of Argentina is European, so my ideal is for Argentina to regain its European heritage (walk through buenos aires recently? Looks like south Los Angeles!), this is my interpretation of Peronism.

It is very similar to the ideas of Qaddaffi as well, or various other ethno-nationalists. The reason Peron kept relations with Hitler/Mussolini/Franco was because he believed Argentina shouldn't base its foreign policy on someone elses interests (in WWII's case, jewish dominated America/Russia) but rather on Argentina's interests.

[Erasmus]

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

Anything wrong with that?

Nothing wrong, Croatians are our brothers

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

Argentina had her own nuclear weapon as early as 1947.

Err... Argentina owned nuclear weapons before USSR (1949), France (1960) and United Kingdom (1952) ? Any source ?

What I read :

Sur ordre du Département militaire, le physicien zurichois Paul Scherrer dirige un projet atomique archisecret et est chargé d’espionner ses collègues étrangers. Il aurait même visité le laboratoire andin de Bariloche. Le projet argentin échoue cependant: l’expérience de fusion thermonucléaire annoncée n’est qu’une tricherie scientifique...

You mean that Peron did want nuclear weapons (with Nazi scientists and Swiss cooperation) as early as 1947, right ?

[Erasmus]

Huemul Project:

Huemul Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ronald Richter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Huemul Project: Information from Answers.com

[Truth-Finder]

Originally Posted by Theobald

Err... Argentina owned nuclear weapons before USSR (1949), France (1960) and United Kingdom (1952) ? Any source ?
You mean that Peron did want nuclear weapons (with Nazi scientists and Swiss cooperation) as early as 1947, right ?

Ha ha ha! our intelligence services has made a great work by convincing the entire world that we actually have not the nuclear weapon

What's so appalling about that? it is not as if I had told you that any African nation had nuclear weapons before URSS and France by their OWN MERIT