Germans Demand Compensations to Poland

[Menydh]

Polish Leaders Criticize Latest German Compensation Claims

Deutsche Welle
December 16, 2006

A move to seek compensation from Poland by Germans expelled at the end of World War II continued to fuel tensions in both countries Saturday.

Some 12 to 14 million ethnic Germans were victims of mass expulsions from Poland, the Czech Republic and other countries in Eastern Europe in the aftermath of World War II.

Many are represented by expellees' groups like the Prussian Trust, whose compensation claim against Poland was confirmed on Friday by the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.

"If the Germans want money for the property they lost they should address their demands to the US, Britain and the heirs of the Soviet Union," said Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, a former foreign minister of Poland.

These three states decided the fate of the ethnic German population in the regions of Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia, he told the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita.

Bartoszewski was referring to the 1945 Potsdam Agreement which among other things redrafted Germany's borders, giving control of East Prussia, Silesia and part of Pomerania to Poland.

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Polish PM criticizes renewed German nationalism

Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the president's twin brother, on Saturday meanwhile slammed what he called Germany's return to nationalist ideology and "radical" questioning of history.

"We observe in Germany a process deeper than a simple attitude of one government or another," he said in an interview with Rzeczpospolita. "It's a re-nationalization of politics, an exceptionally radical calling into question of historical judgements."

In his strongest attack on Germany since coming to power, the Polish prime minister lamented "the obvious anti-Polish sentiment, that's often racist, of some Germans."

Talking about the Prussian Trust's claim, Kaczynski said he expected the German government to take a stronger stance.

"Germany hasn't fully explained its legal position faced with property in Poland," he said. "Its declarations in this area remain insufficient."

He deplored the fact that German Chancellor Angela Merkel has rejected his proposal to sign a bilateral treaty to mutually abandon future financial claims.


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[Menydh]

Compensations, victims, survivors.. sounds suspiciously familiar.

[Pagandawn]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Compensations, victims, survivors.. sounds suspiciously familiar.

I assume you are referring to the Jews and the Holohoax?

There is a fundamental difference here. The Sielesians and Pommerians were true victims. Ca 1 million died due to this expulsion.
Silesia and Pommeria were completly German areas.

The former Polish foreign minister has a point when he says that claims made by the Germans will have to go through the WW2 victors as it was a decision made at Potsdam.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Compensations, victims, survivors.. sounds suspiciously familiar.

Are you trying to compare the so-called Jewish genocide with the [real] anti-German atrocities committed during Soviet invasion ? ...

The atrocities and crimes committed against Germans in and after 1945

[Menydh]

I'm not willing to speculate on what happened with the holocaust. There are enough contradictions on one side and the other, and to believe one side or the other I should be able to trust any. I don't.

So I'd rather remain skeptical and unbiased on that issue.

[Pagandawn]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I'm not willing to speculate on what happened with the holocaust. There are enough contradictions on one side and the other, and to believe one side or the other I should be able to trust any. I don't.

So I'd rather remain skeptical and unbiased on that issue.

As a European nationalist. I think it is your fukkological duty to find out what is lies and truth in this fundamental and essential issue.

We Europeans, not only the Nazis or the Germans are accused of a horrendous crime. A crime that is a total lie.

But, remain ignorant if you wish...

[Menydh]

As a Spanish Nationalist, I have seen the same people who are Holocaust deniers using false stereotypes and lies created by the Black Legend to attack us for no reason.

Even when they have been academically disproved.

As a Spanish Nationalist, I know that the same individual who shares server costs with one Holocaust revisionist main site, has williingly used his server resources to serve Black Legend apologists. He even has no shame to ask for donations to support the server accepting money from some unawared Spaniard.

When even mainstream, non-alligned historians have reviewed it and diproved it.

Do et des. I have no duty there.

And yet I have no duty, if anyone wants to try to disprove it, there is a space here called "Historical Revisionism". Fair discussion is assured in it. I'm not willing to lower myself to their same level.

Originally Posted by Pagandawn

We Europeans, not only the Nazis or the Germans are accused of a horrendous crime. A crime that is a total lie.

That's a terrible mistake. I refuse to stand accused for something that the Germans [allegedly or not] did.

I'm not a German nor a nazi. Whoever allows his high ideals for his nation and for Europe to be stigmatized and stained for a bunch of idolatrous worshippers of a failure, betrays what he seeks to defend.

But, remain ignorant if you wish...

Much on the contrary. I feel free to weigh and compare.

[Susi]

Originally Posted by Pagandawn

As a European nationalist. I think it is your fukkological duty to find out what is lies and truth in this fundamental and essential issue.

We Europeans, not only the Nazis or the Germans are accused of a horrendous crime. A crime that is a total lie.

But, remain ignorant if you wish...

fukkological?

It is difficult to know the lies and the truths behind such an issue. There is the possibility it was not on such a large scale, but there is not the possibility that it didn't happen at all, as far as I recall. I would agree with Mynydd on this...

I don't see French people getting accused of starting the Holocaust. I don't see Polish people getting accused of starting the Holocaust. All I see are German people.

It is difficult to know what really happened in history...

[Strengthandhonour]

Regarding that matter:
""History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon."
~Napoleon