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but fact is that Valencians (admitting they are not actually part of Catalans)
.. admitting that Valencians are not part Catalans? On rough numbers, above 70% of the settlers after the Conquest were Catalan, with a few, probably less than 20% of Aragonese who settled in some demographically smaller hinterland areas. In fact that's what marks today the Valencian speaking Valencian areas (Catalan) and the Castilian speaking Valencian areas (Aragonese).

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are a Neolatin people.
You surely mean a neo-Latin , i.e. Romance, language. And so do speak a neo-Latin language South and Central Americans but, are they Latin or "Neolatin"?

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The identity of a people does not depend neither only on the race nor only on the language, but on both, and also on the traditions, the history and the religion.
And so my identity is Valencian and Spanish.
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I am still not sure about a Valencian ethnicity...

Anyway I meant Neolatin People, quite grossly as Mediterranean peoples, mainly of Latin descent, of Catholic tradition, speaking Romance languages (Occitans, Catalans, Portuguese, Galitians, Castilians, Italians, Sardinians, Corsicans and others).
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I am still not sure about a Valencian ethnicity...
Not ethnicity, but local identity.

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Anyway I meant Neolatin People, quite grossly as Mediterranean peoples, mainly of Latin descent, of Catholic tradition, speaking Romance languages (Occitans, Catalans, Portuguese, Galitians, Castilians, Italians, Sardinians, Corsicans and others).
It's subjective, really. I've argued before that there is, for instance, an eastern element in Southern Italians which marks a difference. Probably the heritage of the Magna Graecia.

What's your opinion there?
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Well, Calabria was a Hellenic speaking area till XVI century, and there are still Croat, Arbërishtë (Albanians migrated in XV century) and Greek communities in South Italy.

I also realize it is not easy to sort out exact classification, it is better to look the general cultural complexion.
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