Austrian Nationalism vs Deutschmark Imperialism

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Breha

Austrians are one hundreed per cent germans, ethnically and culturally.

I hardly believe that, since Slovenians were the first inhabitants of what is now called 'Austria'.

Anyway, to be perfectly honest, I'd rather see Austria become a Muslim state than 'Austrian Nationalist' lead by anti-Slovenian idiots like Haider.

[Menydh]

Did Haider make any comments hostile to Slovenians?

I think that he's now sold out to some Canadian Jewish.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

I hardly believe that, since Slovenians were the first inhabitants of what is now called 'Austria'.

There were inhabitants on that soil before Slovenians appeared -- anyway, I agree with you, there are still many Austrians i.e. Germans with Slavic origin.

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

Anyway, to be perfectly honest, I'd rather see Austria become a Muslim state than 'Austrian Nationalist' lead by anti-Slovenian idiots like Haider.

No worries - your wishes come true. The Austrian army now hires Muslim clerics (Imams) for the growing number of Muslim soldiers within their ranks. In the main barracks of the Austrian army - the Maria-Theresia-Barraks in Vienna - now has an own Mosque and an Islamic library, not big enough for the growing number of Muslims, more are to be established in other barracks.
Haider support Turkey's EU membership - it seems your worst fears come true: an islamized haideristic Austria! No good times for Catholic Slovenians then...

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Did Haider make any comments hostile to Slovenians?

He is very hostile towards Slovenians. I don't know where to start really, he was loud when Slovenia declared to use Prince's Stone on new Slovenian Euros - We'll have Euros next year - because he considers it to be "Austrian", just because Austria stole the land where this stone was located.

Carinthia, which is Slovenian sacred land, was stolen by Austrians after WWI. It's actually quite a long story, Carinthia was the most important land in Great Duchy of Carantania, Slovenian medieval state - the dukes of Carantania were installed on Prince's Stone in Carantania, that's why every Slovenian nationalist considers Carinthia as our sacred land.

You can read more - The Installation of The Dukes of Carantania.

Carinthia was liberated by Slovenian heroes like Franjo Malgaj (the man in my avatar) and General Rudolf Maister, Slovenian army marched to Prince's Stone and Duke's Throne, but later we were stabbed at the back by Serbian SHS goverment, and Austria got that land back.

Anyway, you have more information about Haider and Carinthia issue here.

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

There were inhabitants on that soil before Slovenians appeared -- anyway, I agree with you, there are still many Austrians i.e. Germans with Slavic origin.

Really?

Slovenians (Veneti) around year 1...



P.S.: The stories that Slovenians came from some swamps in eastern Europe in 6th century are pan-Slavist crap from 19th century...

Slovenians are descendants of Carantanians, Carantanians are descendants of Veneti.

[Susi]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I think that he's now sold out to some Canadian Jewish.

What Canadian Jewish thing?

[Menydh]

German political parties and elections

[Susi]

Oh, Belinda Stronach?

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

Really?

Slovenians (Veneti) around year 1...



P.S.: The stories that Slovenians came from some swamps in eastern Europe in 6th century are pan-Slavist crap from 19th century...

Slovenians are descendants of Carantanians, Carantanians are descendants of Veneti.

Fantastic, now I know that I'm half slovenian ... You have caused me a strong identity crisis. But it could also be the contrary.

[Kernunnos]

Talking serously, I had read instead that Venetians (in the modern sense), had roots in commo with a prehistorical polish culture, there were cultural ties in prehistorical times. I gladly concede that some of my venetian relatives do really look like germanic or slavic people.

[Sergius]

That's hardly the point, Breha. I believe that Franjo claims that modern Slovenians are descendants of the historic Veneti people, then an Italic-speaking people, today speaking a Slavic language. Nothing more.

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

That's hardly the point, Breha. I believe that Franjo claims that modern Slovenians are descendants of the historic Veneti people, then an Italic-speaking people, today speaking a Slavic language. Nothing more.

Veneti spoke a language simmilar to modern day Slovenian.

I'll post more later...

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

That's hardly the point, Breha. I believe that Franjo claims that modern Slovenians are descendants of the historic Veneti people, then an Italic-speaking people, today speaking a Slavic language. Nothing more.

I'm not sayng that i'm offended by a kinship with the slovenians, it is just really surprising, especially because the map that was used encompasses also a good deal of modern day Lombardy.

True his map corresponds partly to the roman zone called venetia and histria, which included Lombardy.

But so far in italian histgory books that idea was never quoted, maybe for nationalistic reasons.

The celtic (gaulish) element seems to be prevailing today though, many la tenè civilization findings are attested in our museums, especially celtic swords, helms, torquis etc.

That slovenian option would anyway account for many venetian phenotypes though.

Think of teh famous venetian actor Raimondo Vianello as for an example

[Llywarch Hen]

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

Really?

Slovenians (Veneti) around year 1...



P.S.: The stories that Slovenians came from some swamps in eastern Europe in 6th century are pan-Slavist crap from 19th century...

Slovenians are descendants of Carantanians, Carantanians are descendants of Veneti.

Please! Spare us this nonsense!

And you THIEF! Noricum and Vindelicia were undisputably CELTIC!

Veneti seems to be a very ancient IndoEuropean term, not reserved to any particular later branch of speakers.
They're seen in northern Italy as you say, and in the Polish/Russian lands [the Finns and Estonians still refer to the Russians by this term], but also in the west of Gaul, and among the Irish colonists of north Wales - the Venedoti [> Gwynedd in modern Welsh].
I hope you aren't attempting to equate the -vene in Slovene with this ancient name!

Sensible people look for a Slavonic homeland in the north east, and I would place it around Galicia.


AS FOR AUSTRIA, does anyone have any information on the present state of the Slovenes that were taken in its borders? They always appear on ethnographic maps, but are they fully Germanised these days?

Austrian nationalism is a joke.

[M.R.]

New thread:

Veneti - Slovenian Ancestors