Norway and Sweden new union?

[Menydh]

New 'union' with Sweden takes shape

Aftenposten Norway
June 7, 2005

Norway and Sweden ended their uneasy union 100 years ago, but the two countries are cooperating more than ever on a variety of fronts. A surprising number of Norwegians and Swedes think a new union could be a good thing.

It's been 100 years since Norway broke out of its union
with Sweden, but the two countries are good friends.

The dissolution of the Norwegian-Swedish union ended peacefully in 1905 and the two countries are good friends, despite tensions during and right after World War II.

A key issue contributing to the dissolution was Norway's desire for its own consular service for representation overseas. Today, things have come full circle, with Norway and Sweden even sharing some embassies and consular services.

The Nordic countries built an embassy complex in Berlin, for example, and Norway and Sweden share a consulate in Phuket, Thailand. "That's a good start," comments Member of Parliament and former University of Oslo dean Inge Lønning of the Conservatives.

Lønning also wants Norway to join the European Union and is the man behind the slogan "From Union to Union - 100 years outside is enough."

Norwegian soldiers will also soon start serving under Swedish command. As newspaper Dagens Næringsliv reported Tuesday, the parliament quietly decided late last week that Norway will contribute troops to a new EU military force.

The northern division of the EU force will consist of Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish and Estonian troops, and since Sweden will contribute the most with around 1,100 military personnel, Swedish officers will have command.

The two countries' royal families also have close ties. On Monday, when the Swedes celebrated their own flag day, Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit paid a visit to the Swedish Embassy in Oslo, to offer their congratulations.


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[RuneDK]

I har sgu bare at tage os danskere med hvis i laver en union!

(You'd better let us Danes join you if you decide for a union...)

[Menydh]

As far as I know there is nothing in the Tradition of Scandinavia which defines the formula and terms by which a Scandinavian union should be realized.

Has anyone ever formulated the political terms and details of such an union?

[RuneDK]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

As far as I know there is nothing in the Tradition of Scandinavia which defines the formula and terms by which a Scandinavian union should be realized.

Has anyone ever formulated the political terms and details of such an union?

I think you have to look quite far back in time to find that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_Union

A promise to the Swedes: If we give it another shot, this time we won't f*ck up and keep fighting the Germans.

[Menydh]

Quite far back is where Tradition starts.

Interesting. I'll search for a better source than wikipedia for this Union of Kalmar.

In the meantime, I found what would be the alleged flag for the Union of Kalmar:

http://www.fotw.net/flags/dk_ku.html
http://www.alexheick.dk/historisk/rigens_banner/s.htm



Funny. The opposite colour to an old Spanish flag (yellow cross over red background).

[suomenlinna]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

New 'union' with Sweden takes shape

Aftenposten Norway
June 7, 2005

Norway and Sweden ended their uneasy union 100 years ago, but the two countries are cooperating more than ever on a variety of fronts. A surprising number of Norwegians and Swedes think a new union could be a good thing.

It's been 100 years since Norway broke out of its union
with Sweden, but the two countries are good friends.

The dissolution of the Norwegian-Swedish union ended peacefully in 1905 and the two countries are good friends, despite tensions during and right after World War II.

A key issue contributing to the dissolution was Norway's desire for its own consular service for representation overseas. Today, things have come full circle, with Norway and Sweden even sharing some embassies and consular services.

The Nordic countries built an embassy complex in Berlin, for example, and Norway and Sweden share a consulate in Phuket, Thailand. "That's a good start," comments Member of Parliament and former University of Oslo dean Inge Lønning of the Conservatives.

Lønning also wants Norway to join the European Union and is the man behind the slogan "From Union to Union - 100 years outside is enough."

Norwegian soldiers will also soon start serving under Swedish command. As newspaper Dagens Næringsliv reported Tuesday, the parliament quietly decided late last week that Norway will contribute troops to a new EU military force.

The northern division of the EU force will consist of Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish and Estonian troops, and since Sweden will contribute the most with around 1,100 military personnel, Swedish officers will have command.

The two countries' royal families also have close ties. On Monday, when the Swedes celebrated their own flag day, Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit paid a visit to the Swedish Embassy in Oslo, to offer their congratulations.


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Yes, all very well, but Sweden's large immigrant population will not be a boon to Norway. Norway should stay independent, or at least any union should be based on a defence of Norwegian and Swedish culture, which it won't be on current trends.

[Ferran]

[KleineFreiheit]

Are you kidding?

I lived several years in Denmark and in Sweden. I will never forget the hatred of MANY norwegian citizens when they were discussing Europe and Union.

The hate unions, doesn´t no matter which kind of union. They are nationalists in a bad way.

By the way, I´m democratic and I think democracy (founded in the ancient Greece) is the only way of living like a human being.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by KleineFreiheit

By the way, I´m democratic and I think democracy (founded in the ancient Greece) is the only way of living like a human being.

That's soooooo Vatican II

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by KleineFreiheit

By the way, I´m democratic and I think democracy (founded in the ancient Greece) is the only way of living like a human being.

It doesn't seem to be doing very well though. Democracy allows the worst of all societies to raise to the tops. That shouldn't happen on a well organized [political] aristocratic system with some democratic values and institutions.

[Wotanimus]

My opinion is that the Scandinavian countries are a kind of alliance.
This alliance is the “Political Scandinavia” and Finland is outside.
Unfortunately the head of this alliance is England.
And England’s head is…