France restores border controls

[Menydh]

France restores border controls

BBC News
July 13, 2005

France has reimposed border controls with its European Union neighbours in response to the threat of attacks after the London bombings.

The move activates a safety clause of the Schengen open-border agreement between many EU countries.

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy announced the measure after meeting EU counterparts in Brussels.

"If we don't reinforce border controls when around 50 people die in London, I don't know when I would," he said.

Following the move by France, Italy's Interior Minister Giuseppe Pisanu announced that his country would be reinforcing its old border zones with Austria and Slovenia, Efe reports.

France has activated the safety clause before, mainly for major political and sporting events.

The Schengen agreement allows people to travel without checks from country to country.

The agreement emerged outside the framework of the EU and was initially signed by Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg and the Netherlands in 1985.

Mr Sarkozy said restoring borders was France's decision, but it had informed other Schengen countries before taking action.

"I cannot ignore that after New York was Madrid, followed by London. I don't know who will be next on the list. But I do know that it is our duty to prepare ourselves so we leave nothing to chance," Efe quoted him as saying.

Civil liberties

UK Home Secretary Charles Clarke was chairing the meeting of interior ministers, called after the London bombs, which aims to discuss new measures against terrorism.

EU interior ministers gathered for a similar summit after the 11 March Madrid bombings last year, which killed 191 people.

That meeting led to the faster implementation of the European Arrest Warrant and boosted the sharing of police information to thwart future attacks.

However, proposals to force European phone companies and internet service providers to keep records of the contents of calls and messages have led to concerns over civil liberties.

Italian MEP Lilli Gruber said: "Once you are monitored with your private telephone calls, telephone messages and private e-mails, this is a police state."


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[Laocoon]

London terrorists were born in England, were raised there and had the British citizenship. The enemy is our in countries now. You can restore border controls if you want, it's too damn late. It's immigration itself that should have been/should be forbidden.
And why do these inconsistent politicians always wait terrorism to act? And in fact what are they doing ? They brew air just to show us that they act. I'm sure that in a few month things will be as if nothing happened and the controls will cease.

[Ebusitanus]

It makes Politicians feel good and calms down some of the less informed population.

[Laocoon]

In one word : they take us for fools.

[Ebusitanus]

Originally Posted by Duchemin

In one word : they take us for fools.

We mostly are in fact. Its hard for the Bennetton generation to cast aside most of what has been programed into them for decenia.

[Laocoon]

Originally Posted by Ebusitanus

We mostly are in fact. Its hard for the Bennetton generation to cast aside most of what has been programed into them for decenia.

Nope, not me. I wake up early when I was still a teenager.

[Ebusitanus]

Hence the "most"

In any event I take joy in speaking with those, our own nationals, that some snobs would call "less informed" due to not having had "higher education". The original self preservation instinct is strong amongst them but you can tell how many are not vocal about their, so natural, urges and feelings about this matter just perhaps because they precisely feel "less educated" than those who hammer down on them on a daily basis the supposed blessings of a multikulti society.

It is, from one side more dangerous for my career future, but on the other hand very rewarding to foster such primal instincts amongst those working under me at my job. Once they see how such Taboos are in no way off limits when talking to me, they feel, if anything, more encouraged and reinforced in their beliefs.

[Ederico]

This same news article was posted on AveMelita.com, where I said:

"Hu inutli tuża klawsola ta' sigurtà meta l-kunċett mill-pedamenti hu essenzjalment żbaljat. Il-Pulizija ta' l-Istati Nazzjonali u/jew Reġjonali għandhom ikollhom il-libertà li jpoġġu taħt skrutinju l-movimenti ta' persuni bejn il-fruntieri.

Il-libertà tal-moviment fl-Ewropa, mill-aspett ta' sigurtà, huwa biss mezz indirett għal iktar ċentralizzazzjoni tal-poter fuq livell Ewropew bħal per eżempju l-possibiltà ta' arresti fuq skala Ewropea."


Translation:


"It is useless to use a security clause when the concept is essentially wrong from its basis. National/Regional State Police should have the liberty to put under scrutiny the movement of persons between frontiers.

Liberty of movement in Europe, from the security aspect, is only an indirect means for more centralisation of power on a European level like for example the possibility of arrests on a European scale."

[Laocoon]

Originally Posted by Ebusitanus

In any event I take joy in speaking with those, our own nationals, that some snobs would call "less informed" due to not having had "higher education". The original self preservation instinct is strong amongst them but you can tell how many are not vocal about their, so natural, urges and feelings about this matter just perhaps because they precisely feel "less educated" than those who hammer down on them on a daily basis the supposed blessings of a multikulti society.

Ibiza is well known for his "broadmindedness" though. You must have some good fun there. I've notice one thing : self preservation among insulars is higher than elsewhere on the continent (excepted the basque country). In Corsica for instance they've a very strong identity, the problem is that they don't make difference between continental peoples and extra-europeans.

It is, from one side more dangerous for my career future, but on the other hand very rewarding to foster such primal instincts amongst those working under me at my job. Once they see how such Taboos are in no way off limits when talking to me, they feel, if anything, more encouraged and reinforced in their beliefs.

You play a dangerous game but it gives you much honor. I think there's less racial taboo in Spain, people are conscious of their identity. At least it's what I think.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Duchemin

I think there's less racial taboo in Spain, people are conscious of their identity. At least it's what I think.

Well, maybe, but "they" are already working on that, mining the very foundations of the society. They've been doing so for long years.

Now it is up to us to stop it.

Strong regional identity differentiation does definitely play on our side.

[Laocoon]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Well, maybe, but "they" are already working on that, mining the very foundations of the society. They've been doing so for long years.

Now it is up to us to stop it.

Strong regional identity differentiation does definitely play on our side.

Yes the time is your enemy. More it passes, more the new generations lose their roots. But you are 30 years old "of delay" in this matter, it's a chance for you.

[Theobald]

I totally support this decision - but of course that's not enough (far from this actually).

[Laocoon]

Originally Posted by Theobald

I totally support this decision - but of course that's not enough (far from this actually).

I don't. I don't want my bagpack to be check out by an extra-european policeman that look at you as if he was the master (the worst thing is : he's the master ) nor I want them to search old little innocent french grandmas. When I see that they dare to ask my mother to open her bag, it makes me mad. As if she was a terrorist... We're not terrorists and I don't see why I should let dumb & dumber going through my pockets. I don't want to pay for muslims, I'm not responsible for all that shit.
Make controls, search cars, etc. As everyone knows that is not an imported terrorism, they're here yet and they're... "French" citizen and have as many rights as you and me (and even more as I already said ). It's sad but it's true. Besides the problems won't be solve since immigration will keep going. So we're going to have immigration troubles plus aggressive Big Brother methods. No, I definitely don't support this draft decision. I'd be OK with it if we were living in peace, but it's not the case... Terrorism is just a pretext. Multi-kulti dictature, no thanks.

[Ebusitanus]

Originally Posted by Duchemin

Ibiza is well known for his "broadmindedness" though. You must have some good fun there. I've notice one thing : self preservation among insulars is higher than elsewhere on the continent (excepted the basque country). In Corsica for instance they've a very strong identity, the problem is that they don't make difference between continental peoples and extra-europeans.

Up until recently Ibiza was a gathering for extreme fun but it was 99% european tourism. You can decry the morals of the thing but genetically everything was more or less fine with interbreeding happening on an european scale. Furthermore those by products of this touristic frenzy that have choosen to live here are indeed perfectly integrated and no few of them are perfect Catalan speakers you would not even be able to tell apart from the rest of the indigenous Ibicenco population. The problem about extra-european people is actually quite recent with a heavy influx of Morrocans and even more Equatorian mestizos/Indians. Those are the ones that have managed to set up their own Ghettos within Ibiza city. Ghettos were the rest of inhabitants are fleeing from.

On the isularity issue you are correct, even after 40 years of tourism, "broadmindedness" and what not, Ibicencos are still holding all the power and are quite reclusive and protective of their own idosincracy. Most of the population influx has come from Spain´s mainland and there are no few "mixed" marriages. Yet still the protective shield is there separating mostly both groups. As time goes by this separation tends to grow thinner and even faster when now a common enemy has popped up with this non-european population that simply can not get integrated.

You play a dangerous game but it gives you much honor. I think there's less racial taboo in Spain, people are conscious of their identity. At least it's what I think.

South American non-whites are truly a danger for they have soaked in much more "latin" culture in South America in the last 500 years and are thus more easily approached by non racialiy concious Spaniards, which is in stark contrast with the barrier between Spaniards and, say, Morrocans or sub-saharian africans.