No 'plan B' if French reject EU treaty

[Aeternitas]

No 'plan B' if French reject EU treaty

(Filed: 19/05/2005)

The EU treaty cannot be renegotiated if French voters reject it later this month, its architect has warned.

Valery Giscard d'Estaing, ex-French president, is fighting to persuade his own countrymen of accepting his draft constitution.

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[Valkyrie]

The B-plan should be the destroyment of the EU as a centralistic, buerocratic and left-winged monster who threatens every single sovereign country.

[Aeternitas]

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...590910,00.html

The Netherlands are also dissatisfied.

At the same time, people like Schröder urge the French to say 'yes'. He went to France to help Chirac persuade possible voters. Schröder stated that "France assumes a big responsiblity, the responsibility not to let down us other Europeans over the constitution", while Fischer sees the constitution as a way of defending social democratic ideals. Maybe so, but is it defending European ideals in their true sense? Of course not. Poland is another country that joins this persuading action. And now what's left to see is what the Bundesrat votes.

[Theobald]

At the same time, people like Schröder urge the French to say 'yes'.

Another reason to vote "No".
For one or two months, every poll shows between 51 and 62% of the French want to vote "No", let's hope this can lead to an EU-crisis.
Indeed France has a responsibility here, the responsibility to reject this anti-European constitution (pro-NATO, pro-liberal, anti-Christian, ...).

[Aeternitas]

I've always liked the French

I've read Chirac refuses to resign even in case of a 'no' majority vote and in case of a 'yes' majority vote, he would call it a personal triumph. Articles also say that his position in history is in danger.
In any case, as they say, it's now or never. French people who have the right to vote should not waste this chance.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Aeternitas

I've always liked the French

I know, I know...

I've read Chirac refuses to resign even in case of a 'no' majority vote and in case of a 'yes' majority vote, he would call it a personal triumph.

LOL, that's not surprising. If there is a "no" majority vote, there will be a new referendum, and again, and again, until the French vote "yes". That's how our great democracy works. I actually wonder why they decided to make a referendum about EU-Constitution.

Articles also say that his position in history is in danger.

His position in history ? Well, he has always dreamed to be a new De Gaulle...

In any case, as they say, it's now or never. French people who have the right to vote should not waste this chance.

We will see next Sunday.

[Aeternitas]

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

I actually wonder why they decided to make a referendum about EU-Constitution.

Because it is a 'democratic' thing to do? Well, they say tactical reasons lay behind this - Chirac wanting to embarass the Left.

His position in history ? Well, he has always dreamed to be a new De Gaulle...

Seems so. Then he should follow his example and resign if he gets defeated in a referendum

It's obvious the situation is really worrying for EU supporters if it goes as far as people like Fischer or Schröder poking their noses in French business... when Schröder is not begging for SPD votes in Germany, he's begging for French ones... but as you say, we will see. I'm only thinking of possible future referendums, putting the 'blame' on France and the French that Europe can't 'progress'...

[Carnyx]

"No plan B, that means no 2nd chance, that means France WOULD MISS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY."
Bouh, too scary. I'm going to vote "Yes". They think we are idiots?

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

His position in history ? Well, he has always dreamed to be a new De Gaulle...

Yeah, a wannabe De Gaulle. He even imitates the voice of de Gaulle (badly). Remember his triumphal speechs in front of Morrocan flags when he won in 2002? Pathetic. The worst President we've ever had in fact (worse than VGE and his NO pink balloon).

[Zed]

Originally Posted by Valkyrie

The B-plan should be the destroyment of the EU as a centralistic, buerocratic and left-winged monster who threatens every single sovereign country.

I agree wholeheartedly and I pray that the French voters defeat this treaty resoundingly. I will take back all the nasty things I have ever said about them if they do.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Zed

I agree wholeheartedly and I pray that the French voters defeat this treaty resoundingly. I will take back all the nasty things I have ever said about them if they do.

What if we don't?... (But we'll do.)

[Aeternitas]

Originally Posted by M.Duchemin

"No plan B, that means no 2nd chance, that means France WOULD MISS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY."
Bouh, too scary. I'm going to vote "Yes". They think we are idiots?

Indeed. Their strategy is to try to make the voter feel responsible after he is fed the propaganda. More examples:

Schröder: "Europe needs France, and France needs Europe." "Without France "the voice of Europe would weaken, it could never make itself heard in the world." A similar case is Schröder pleading with the population in North-Rhein Westphalia to vote for the SPD, as otherwise they would be responsible for removing it's social-democratic "trademark" and Germany would have no chance to remain "among the top nations in the world."

Italian minister Romano Prodi also said that voting "no" in France would mean "the fall of Europe".

Yeah, a wannabe De Gaulle. He even imitates the voice of de Gaulle (badly).

That sounds odd. I don't understand why some people cling to the past like this and need to immitate some historical figure or personality instead of having their own style.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Aeternitas

That sounds odd. I don't understand why some people cling to the past like this and need to immitate some historical figure or personality instead of having their own style.

Well, De Gaulle is a real myth in France, to say the least. Even I have to admit he did some good things, such as reconciliation with Germany, giving us nuclear weapons, anti-American policy (and anti-British in EU), refusing an European federation, wanting a powerful and independent Europe, rejecting massive non-European immigration ...
Mitterrand was also a model for Chirac. But he shouldn't fool himself, he will never have their charisma, he is definitely the least serious president we've ever had.

[Prussian]

Schröder: "Europe needs France, and France needs Europe."

No France needs to exercise her hegemony over her own sovereignty, first & foremost, exercising one's hegemony over this is in fact the hallmark of sovereignty itself. That is for the French people to decide without foreign intervention.

"Without France "the voice of Europe would weaken, it could never make itself heard in the world."

France would weaken as a nation if it were to be engulfed by the EU constitution, just as any other nation would fall prey to the centralisation & further advancement of EU power. Basically any nation then effectively loses it's own right of expressing it's sovereignty.

Italian minister Romano Prodi also said that voting "no" in France would mean "the fall of Europe".

It would indicate a major drawback in a specific agenda they're trying to pedal to Europe as a whole. It would be the fall of an attempt to break down borders & boundaries into people's lives, whilst robbing them of their sovereignty as nations. Nothing more & nothing less.

Thus what is more on par with the workings, is the following:

"Sell your souls, Sell your sovereignty, Sell yourself to the Artificial Centralised State"

[Aeternitas]

The foreign intervention doesn't cease to come though. Endless pressure is being put on this country...
Luxembourg's PM has recently stated that in case the French really vote "non", their country would be responsible for setting the EU back 20 years and all the 'progress' made by the Union will have been gone down the drain in favour of a crisis. Spanish PM Zapatero is also supporting a "yes", saying that it would ease their cooperation towards a best social model.
Therefore the campaign for "yes" continues desperatly. France is said to vote for the future for Europe and not for that of its internal political affairs.

[Aeternitas]

French "Yes" Campaign Tries to Turn Tide

The "Non" campaign is still leading

The political heavyweights of France's "Yes" campaign for the EU constitution have stepped up their efforts to persuade undecided voters to back the treaty. But the "No" camp is still ahead in the polls.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...594298,00.html

[Aeternitas]

And one more update...

French PM excludes possibility of second referendum in case of a Non

25.05.2005 - 09:57 CET | By Elitsa Vucheva

The French prime minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin, has said there will not be a second referendum if France rejects the Constitution on Sunday.

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