Massive rally of Falange in Madrid

[Der]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Oh, oh..
That's a fallacy typical from the far left. Congratulations.

He did banish languages other than Castilian from anything official. He definitely did not encourage the learning of those languages. However, tell me one ruler in Spain who did so since 1700 (Philippe d'Anjou) or even earlier. In my opinion a big mistake was not accepting the collaboration of the then bourgeoise Catalan regionalist party, La Llliga of Cambó, and the acceptance of the formation of a Generalitat within the State, which might have set an example for the rest of Spain.

Fortunately the people who lived through those years are still alive to attest it. For example, my father.

The one time when other languages were prohibited was during the Directorio of General D. Miguel Primo de Rivera.

I urge you to quote the law by which Catalan, Basque and Galician were prohibited.

Sorry wrong use of vocabulary. I apologise for my mistake.
The point is that denying any sort of official use, and "He definitely did not encourage the learning of those languages." was bad enough if local languages couldn’t be taught in normal ordinary schools young generations would eventually forget the langue and this would end up with the language going into complete miss use, unless it was spoken at home, in places like Galicia where it was the rural (majority) population spoke Galician; brought a lot of problems for many children who were punished by teachers at school when they said a word in this language, "Hablame en Cristiano" that’s the answer many teachers used to reply.
(In some senses that’s as bad as prohibiting the languages)

For one thing, he did not lead Spain to the defeat and destruction to which Hitler took Germany.

This point is uncaled for.
The war always has to be mentioned and is usaly (not always) the only way used to dismiss Nationalsotialism.

Even when Franco was not a [ethnic] Nationalist but a [military] Patriot.

This is one of the main reasons why many NS throw mud in his grave stone.

Fine. And I seem to remember that I asked you to give me your version so that I could add it on a notebook to the other 87 versions. Well, not with these exact words.

Yes you did, but don't worry is not only my version.
The problem like you well say is that there are diferent ways of interpretating NS the versions usually vary from nation to nation.
But for example there are not 25 diferent versions in one nation, at least in Spain we have a legal NS organization an most of the people are in it or exist in other organizations that have diferent principles in very particular points but that in general they accept CEDADE's (CISNE) view.

Nationalsocialism in Spain has gone the way that CEDADE marked and the way that CISNE will mark in the future to me what they say is: "the oficial version"

Note: Diferences of opinion on subjects just as christianism or paganism, Wagnerism or Nietzschism are not considered diferent versions. When I talk about diferent versions or understandings of th NS ideology I am refering to the general view on ethnopolitics, geopolitics and socialism.

No, that's an oversimplification of the issue. But I hear that there are methods to alpinificate people. Guttenberg invented a device to such and end, but he ended up using it for other purposes.

For someone who is always bad mouthing the BNP accusing them of racists, haters....
You seem to be on the same line as them the only difference is that your problem is with alpinoids. You hater.

A otro lobo con ese cuento, caperucita.
(tr.: tell that tale to another wolf, you little riding hood)

I will explain this in the Ibero-Romance forum in future.

There are more than just two differences between National Socialism and other Fascist ideologies. But never mind about that now..

Don't worry I am pretty aware of that, I was just mentioning just one of the intresting diferences.

In those simple terms, you create a myth upon which Europe should be constructed. Myths are no solid foundations for building up nations, let alone an ideal of the dimensions of Europe. The origins of such mythicism are clear to me.

Myth? Could you explain to me why you think that this is a myth?

Sure..

Indeed there is an ethnic motherland.
Do you agree with me or not?

Because among the 88 definitions of National Socialism (including yours this time), there are no few which actually are opposed to the first point or have a completely different view on which is what in the first point, or ...

Could you please reword this so as I can give you a real awnser right now I can't since I am not sure what you mean.

Ok, tourists then.

I insist they are not tourists. But since you refuse to understand I will spell it out for you. "THEY ARE THE NATIVE PEOPLES"

Don't smile at my answer; I am not the webmaster there for I don't know anything about their website.
But like I've stated in the previous post they celebrate events quite regularly.

You'll have to agree with me on more things.

Don't say that. This forum wouldn’t be that much fun and interesting if there weren't any arguments.

The visual effect of it is wrong enough in itself. But you must understand that, because it is a projection of a particular mindset, the implications of it are much worse.

I am aware of that. Sometimes I think that the actual problem is that the images used are taken from old NS propaganda panflets. Or are either used directly from propaganda panflets all ready made by "White Nationalist" organizations in the USA.
Is not that easy to produce original ones so some organizations just don't bother or at least thats what seems to me.

It tells me that you guys are still not beyond hope.

I am glad you think so not all of us are "Nutzis"

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Der

The point is that denying any sort of official use, and "He definitely did not encourage the learning of those languages." was bad enough if local languages couldn’t be taught in normal ordinary schools young generations would eventually forget the langue and this would end up with the language going into complete miss use, unless it was spoken at home

How many generations? I'm asking because the officiality of the Castilian language in schools outside Castilian speaking territories dates back to long before Franco. Yet the alemanizados (allow me here to modify the word afrancesados, which applied to Napoleonic sympathizers, to apply to Hitlerian sympathizers in Spain), for some reason, abuse it against General Franco.

If you try to work out the generations that it would take for that, I'll try work out the generations which have passed since this policy started to being used.

in places like Galicia where it was the rural (majority) population spoke Galician; brought a lot of problems for many children who were punished by teachers at school when they said a word in this language, "Hablame en Cristiano" that’s the answer many teachers used to reply.

I have heard that here and in Catalunya. In the same fashion as "someone told me that someone else had told him that ..."

Just in case I asked my father (who cannot be accused of having been a Francoist) how it was then. Apparently, there were isolated cases in which that happened. However, when I've asked him if it was forbidden at school, he tells me that Valencian was not spoken in the classrooms but it was in the patios during the breaks and, further, the priests and teachers there would address the pupils in Valencian. Not that I had to ask him since I already knew it, but just in case I might have missed something.

On a side note, the Catalan (including Valencian) which you hear spoken on the autonomic TV channels, which is often learnt at schools, sounds ridiculous.

(In some senses that’s as bad as prohibiting the languages)

So, what is important here is that Franco should be blamed just as well, at any price. Interesting.

I hope that now you will lecture me on the policies pursued by Hitler in nazi Germany to promote and to protect the use of Plattdeutsch languages. Oh and, may I call them languages and not dialects? I assume that Hitler gave them the status of languages. Am I right?

This point is uncaled for.

It is not more uncalled for than your comment on the alleged attempt to destroy ethnic diversity in Spain. In fact it is more lawful since it replies to your comment. But most important, I do reply to your comment pointing to your biased error. You should try the same. If it is possible at all.

The war always has to be mentioned and is usaly (not always) the only way used to dismiss Nationalsotialism.

It is? I thought it was the Holocaust. But I could point to other arguments against German National Socialism. Just ask.

This is one of the main reasons why many NS throw mud in his grave stone.

I see. Desecrating gravestones seems to be one of the favourite passtimes for "NS".

But never mind about that now. Explain to me why being a Patriot is a reason for nazis to abuse the memory of a man.

Yes you did, but don't worry is not only my version.

Of course not. Yours and of some 99 other people. Which added to the 100 supporters for each one of the other 87 versions, gives us the total figure of 8,800. If there were 880,000 nazis instead of 8,800, we might have 8,800 versions.


Now seriously. Your words make me suspect that you are planning to quote (copy and paste) someone else's words. You should try one of your own.

The problem like you well say is that there are diferent ways of interpretating NS the versions usually vary from nation to nation.
But for example there are not 25 diferent versions in one nation, at least in Spain we have a legal NS organization an most of the people are in it or exist in other organizations that have diferent principles in very particular points but that in general they accept CEDADE's (CISNE) view.

Wrong. I've heard different versions coming from one given nation on different issues.

That there is one version in Spain is something that will never stop to amaze me. Like when there was a version of Maoism. I would comment further on this, but let us better leave the thread to develop peacfully.

Nationalsocialism in Spain has gone the way that CEDADE marked and the way that CISNE will mark in the future to me what they say is: "the oficial version"

As I said, alemanizados. Ready to repeat the same mistakes of the past while finger pointing to others for doing the same.. even if the others at least do it from a home grown ideal?

Note: Diferences of opinion on subjects just as christianism or paganism, Wagnerism or Nietzschism are not considered diferent versions.

I won't even comment on that. I find it extravagant.

For someone who is always bad mouthing the BNP accusing them of racists, haters....

You seem to be on the same line as them the only difference is that your problem is with alpinoids. You hater.

It is mostly an internal joke among some people here. It is derived mainly from two facts: one, that most Nordic supremacists we have been able to check their pictures have happened to be Alpinoids or pred. Alpinoids; two, some theories --that I find bizarre and eccentric-- which imply an inferiority of Alpinoids and which come from the Nordicist Nazi camp.

I will explain this in the Ibero-Romance forum in future.

Fine.

Myth? Could you explain to me why you think that this is a myth?

First things first.

Indeed there is an ethnic motherland.
Do you agree with me or not?

Europa? NO.

Could you please reword this so as I can give you a real awnser right now I can't since I am not sure what you mean.

Out of the 88 versions of NS that we have agreed that there exist so far (there might be more ), some believe in a constructed motherland Europa, others have different definitions of that constructed motherland, and yet others only Germania. Umh.. now that I think about it, there are other versions on the more freakie side. Lots of fun there!

I insist they are not tourists. But since you refuse to understand I will spell it out for you. "THEY ARE THE NATIVE PEOPLES"

If they are Spanish, they are in their right to have it as a hobby. But to pass as a tourist is some kind of travestism.

Don't smile at my answer; I am not the webmaster there for I don't know anything about their website.

I grin at the "non-content" of the "active" site, not at you.

But like I've stated in the previous post they celebrate events quite regularly.

Like web design marathons?

(should be "webathons" but that would sound awful in Spanish!)

I am aware of that. Sometimes I think that the actual problem is that the images used are taken from old NS propaganda panflets. Or are either used directly from propaganda panflets all ready made by "White Nationalist" organizations in the USA.
Is not that easy to produce original ones so some organizations just don't bother or at least thats what seems to me.

It's been like that ever since CEDADE. It points to a pathology, I think.

I am glad you think so not all of us are "Nutzis"

Nah.. that means clearly that some have a cure, whereas others are beyond hope.