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Ireland sees growing opposition to European constitution

The June 12 vote on the Lisbon Treaty now seems less certain, as opposition groups, some businessmen and farmers raise concerns about sovereignty.

By Kim Murphy

Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

June 1, 2008

NENAGH, IRELAND — The "Yes on the EU" bus rolled into town blaring a foot-stomping "Galway Girl" from its megaphone one afternoon last week, but what it got was a whole lot of no.

An Irishman has always been a hard sell, and never more so than when issues of sovereignty are at stake.

"People died for your freedom," declares one of the signs that have popped up in this agricultural town as Ireland prepares to vote June 12 on the European Union's new constitution. "Don't throw it away."

Farmer Ida McLoughlin isn't sold on the other posters plastered around town: "Vote yes for jobs, the economy and Ireland's future."

"Since the EU, all you see are 4x4s going down the street and big buildings going up. The thatched cottages are gone," McLoughlin said. "You have all these Johnny-come-lately people who were poor and got rich, and they're dreadful people. We've lost our Irish values."

Adoption of the so-called Lisbon Treaty requires ratification by all 27 member states of the EU, which could take a much more prominent role on the world stage under the streamlined diplomacy and beefed-up military readiness the document envisions.

Fourteen nations have ratified the agreement through their parliaments, and the remainder are expected to do so by the end of the year. Only Ireland's constitution requires a referendum -- and that could make or break the long-awaited constitution.

The Irish government, most business leaders and political parties of nearly every stripe have come out overwhelmingly in favor of the Lisbon Treaty, pointing out how Ireland's membership in the EU over the last 35 years has helped transform the Emerald Isle of 4.1 million people from an impoverished backwater dependent on Britain to one of Europe's most robust economies.

But a newly vigorous opposition composed of farmers, a few wealthy businessmen with vague connections to the U.S. defense establishment and the leftist Irish republican party, Sinn Fein, have gained quickly in recent polls, and the outcome is suddenly no longer a sure thing.

It is not clear what happens if Ireland says no -- except that the union would surely be plunged, as it was when France and the Netherlands voted down an earlier EU constitution in 2005, into uncertainty and more tedious negotiations on what EU leaders say is a badly needed framework for decision-making among its suddenly more numerous member states.

"It would put us in the very tortured position of going back to the drawing board," said Marc Coleman, a Dublin-based economic analyst.

The treaty signed in Lisbon in December would help Europe project itself more forcefully on the international stage by creating a European Council president and foreign affairs representative while outlining a framework for EU troop deployments in peacekeeping and humanitarian missions.

The treaty would broaden and establish a legal basis for the EU's lawmaking powers in some areas while making them subject much more directly to national parliaments and citizens initiatives. It would set out voting weights between large and small countries, improve cross-border cooperation in areas such as crime fighting and climate change and streamline the European Commission to a manageable decision-making body of 18.

Under the treaty, member nations still would retain their historic veto power in crucial areas such as defense, foreign policy, taxation and social security, but not on issues like immigration and energy policy.

Voters in overwhelmingly Catholic Ireland worry that the nation would be forced to expand abortion rights (no), forfeit its long tradition of military neutrality (no) or give up the holy grail of the Celtic Tiger economic miracle, Ireland's 12.5% corporate tax rate (probably not, though some in Europe would like to try).

Treaty opponents say the government is too smoothly dismissing what may be legitimate fears and is too quick to warn that Ireland would incur the wrath of the rest of Europe if it voted no.

"People always say Ireland is in very good standing at the European level. But why wouldn't we be? We haven't invaded one of the partner countries, we haven't partitioned them. But we're also a small member state, and in the power structure that is the EU, small states have to be very careful in how they protect their status and institutions," said Mary Lou McDonald, a member of the European Parliament with Sinn Fein.

Here in County Tipperary, the "Yes on the EU" bus was stopping in front of village cafes and bakeries; young activists from the majority Fianna Fail party trailed out in yellow T-shirts. They smiled and passed out leaflets touting EU membership as a bonanza for Ireland -- the country received 58 billion euros in European funds for agriculture, infrastructure and other programs from 1973 to 2003. Its exports to other EU states increased from 45 billion euros in 1997 to 87 billion in 2006.

Maire Hoctor, a Fianna Fail lawmaker and a minister of state from Nenagh, strolled the sidewalks, stopping for hugs, handshakes and an occasional tongue-lashing. She was joined by party colleague Jim Casey, mayor of North Tipperary.

"They're not going to give us anything. They're going to take it away, for sure," said Bernie O'Brien, an elderly woman who resisted their overtures.

"I remember when we had nothing in this county: We had a one-way ticket to Britain, and that was our lot," Hoctor told her.

Much of the opposition in rural Ireland involves an issue that has nothing to do with the EU treaty at all: agriculture proposals submitted last month to the World Trade Organization by the European trade commissioner, who is Britain's former envoy to the British province of Northern Ireland.

Irish farmers say the trade proposals could put 50,000 cattle farmers in Ireland out of business by easing importation of Brazilian and Argentine beef and driving down prices. The Irish Farmers Assn. says it will urge its members to vote "no" on the EU treaty if Ireland doesn't exercise its EU veto to block the trade proposals.

"It's just going to decimate farms," McLoughlin told Hoctor. "Sure, we've gotten subsidies from the EU. We got the check in the post, like everyone else. We were bought. We were humiliated. My husband has been told what to grow, when to grow it."

Casey said the issue shouldn't be used to block a treaty that will be good for Ireland.

"We've always negotiated good deals for the farmers in Ireland in Europe, and I'm convinced that will continue," he said. "The EU has provided well for farmers. Since we entered Europe, everything has gotten much, much better."

The other main source of opposition has come from a group called Libertas, fronted by two wealthy businessmen who have had extensive contracts with the U.S. military. This has caused some in the Irish media to speculate that the group is advancing the agenda of U.S. conservatives, some of whom worry that a stronger, united Europe would undermine U.S. interests on the continent.

But Ulick McEvaddy, a former military intelligence officer whose company has contracts for aerial refueling with the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps and who is one of Libertas' biggest supporters, said he was worried about threats to Ireland's independence.

"We're handing over direct responsibility and huge issues of sovereignty to the Brussels parliament," McEvaddy said. "If they believe in this great experiment, put it to all the people of Europe."

Even in County Tipperary, some are willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.

"Europe hasn't let us down yet," said Mick Connell, a member of the local council in Templemore, not far from Nenagh. "That should be good enough."

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It is interesting that probably the most important issue is not incorporated in this treaty, nor regulated by it.
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The Irish government, most business leaders and political parties of nearly every stripe have come out overwhelmingly in favor of the Lisbon Treaty, pointing out how Ireland's membership in the EU over the last 35 years has helped transform the Emerald Isle of 4.1 million people from an impoverished backwater dependent on Britain to one of Europe's most robust economies.
This is misleading because past success can't be attributed to a Treaty that wasn't in effect at the time. Nevertheless, most Yes people will be influenced by crooked thinking of this kind.
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Fourteen nations have ratified the agreement through their parliaments, and the remainder are expected to do so by the end of the year. Only Ireland's constitution requires a referendum -- and that could make or break the long-awaited constitution.
That's right, it's the same constitution that was already rejected.
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I hope to God that the Irish reject the treaty... We did not even get to vote.
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THE LISBON Treaty could face a shock rejection with the No side now in the lead, according to the findings of the latest Irish Times /TNS mrbi poll.

It will take an unprecedented swing in the last week of the campaign for the treaty to be carried.

The poll shows the number of people intending to vote No has almost doubled to 35 per cent (up 17 points) since the last poll three weeks ago, while the number of the Yes side has declined to 30 per cent (down 5 points).

The number of undecided voters is still a significant 28 per cent (down 12 points) while 7 per cent won't vote.
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It will pass anyway, no matter if it is voted down or not. Unless some miracle happens.
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By David McKittrick, Ireland Correspondent

Saturday, 7 June 2008

Irish voters are poised to reject the Lisbon Treaty on the future of Europe when a referendum is held next week, a poll suggests.

Anti-Lisbon campaigners have surged ahead, overtaking the yes camp to double their previous support and make rejection of the treaty look likely. The survey for The Irish Times newspaper gave the no camp 35 per cent and the yes camp 30 per cent, with don't knows at 35 per cent.

The uncommitted may yet move towards a yes vote but it would take an unprecedented late swing for this to happen.

Ireland is the only EU country holding a public vote on the reform treaty and a no vote would throw the process into chaos. The other 26 members are using parliamentary votes to ratify the proposals – but Ireland is obliged to hold a referendum because it involves changing the constitution. All 27 countries must ratify the treaty, which is meant to streamline decision-making processes in the EU, for it to come into effect next year as planned.

The poll results are particularly shocking because almost all of the big guns in Irish politics, including the new Prime Minister Brian Cowen, have been campaigning feverishly for a yes vote.
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This week they sent out the text of the amendment to every voter. It's quite sobering to see it all in black and white. Previous treaties were added to the constitution in one subsection, something like "the government may ratify the Nice Treaty". By contrast, this one has six lengthy subsections, followed by sub-subsections. Just to give you a flavour of how it reads, here's one of them:

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The state may agree to the decisions, regulations or other acts under -
i Article 1.34 (b)(iv),
ii Article 1.56 (insofar as it relates to Article 48.7 of the Treaty referred to in subsection 4 of this section),
iii Article 2.66 (in so far as it relates to the second subparagraph of Article 65.3 of the Treaty on the functioning of the European Union),
iv Article 2.67 (insofar as it relates to subparagraph of Article 69B.1 an paragraphs 1 and 4 of Article 69E of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union),
v Article 2.144(a),
vi Article 2.261 (insofar as it relates to the second subparagraph of Article 270a.2 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union), and
vii Article 2.278 (insofar as it relates to Article 280H of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union),
of the Treaty referred to in subsection 10 of this section, and may also agree to the decision under the second sentence of the second subparagraph of Article 137.2 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (as amended by Article 2.116 (a) of the Treaty referred to in the said subsection 10), but the agreement to any such decision, regulation or act shall be subject to the prior approval of both Houses of the Oireachtas.
I suspect many other people will find that as indecipherable as I do.
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Take a stand for democracy and vote No, says Michael Commins, rather than ceding more control to our European masters

‘NO’ vote
Michael Commins

THE Lisbon Treaty is upon us at last. And the people of the city that bears its name are not even allowed to cast their vote. For the leaders of Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Labour to claim that democracy is being served by supporting this referendum is an abomination. No wonder that thousands of Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil supporters all over the country are ready to vote No on Thursday and take a stand for real democracy.
Brian Cowen, Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore, and their ‘vested interest’ lackeys, including their MEPs, have the gall to ask us to support them when millions of citizens of the EU are being denied the basic right to vote by their respective parliaments. Where’s the democracy there?
Already, the people of France and Holland have voted No to basically the same document with a few minor changes. The British people were promised a referendum but have now been denied the right to vote. This Lisbon Treaty would be slaughtered by the British electorate and the Labour Party have deprived their own citizens of the right to vote.
Ireland is ceding control of its destiny to our European masters. We will soon have the same influence on Europe as the people of Inishturk have on Dáil Éireann. The politicians at the helm are selling the soul of our nation for the 30 pieces of silver.

Poor old Michael Davitt and the Land League slogan, ‘The Land of Ireland for the People of Ireland’, wouldn’t stand a chance in the warped thinking of today’s political elites. It would be ‘racist’ and not politically correct to argue such theories. No, the likes of Davitt from Mayo and James Fintan Lalor from Laois, that extraordinary land agitator whose writings inspired rebellion among the agrarian classes in many parts of Europe, would be sidelined as ‘trouble-makers’ by our top politicians who are supping from the golden trough.
It is galling to see the three political leaders hand in hand on this issue. We have been fed lies by politicians and the same is happening again. The people of Mayo, Roscommon, Sligo, Monaghan and Clare did not vote to have services in their hospitals curtailed and siphoned off to centres of excellence. People who feel they have been let down on any issue, whether it be the hospitals, fishing, farming, the taking away of the freedom to have two or three drinks in their local pub without being made feel like criminals, should use the Lisbon Treaty to register their disapproval. The politicians need a kick in the behind to bring them to their senses. They need to be reminded, in the words of US Supreme Court Justice, Louis Brandeis, that ‘the right most valued by all civilised men is the right to be left alone’.

No one can ever accuse that great Westport man, Joe McNally, of being a Yes man. In a letter published in last Tuesday’s Irish Independent, he pulled no punches when he stated: “In another time in this country, they would have been shot for treason for the complete sell-out of their God, culture and country, if their boundless arrogance had been allowed to reach this stage of stupidity.
“They want us to submit our Ireland to the creation of a European super state. The bureaucrats in Brussels know what they want. Has the spirit of the Irish of old dissipated into nothingness? Have we finally surrendered to the lies and deceit of our Leinster House lackeys? Do we really want to stab our forefathers in their graves? In the name of God and Ireland, vote No to the Lisbon Treaty,” exhorted Joe.
The Westport man is 100 per cent right. There’s a breed in control in the European Empire these days that wants to outlaw nationalism of any kind. Wanting to protect your heritage, identity, community and beliefs does not mean you are a racist. But many European PC thinkers would like to make you believe so. It is time to fight this nonsense and time for all of us who see the European flag as a new flag of domination to have the right to ask that it be taken down.
More and more I find myself in agreement with the thinking of that great American writer, Edgar Allen Poe. He had nothing but contempt for the opinions of the so-called ‘democratic mob’ of politicians, the New England literary cliques and the Boston ‘frog-pond’ of commentators of his day. “I wish to establish a journal,” he once expounded, “in which the men of genius may fight their battles; upon some terms of equality, with those dunces the men of talent.”
The elites of Europe are exerting more and more control over our freedoms. You can’t cut turf, you can’t fish as before, rural Ireland is closing down, everywhere you turn there’s an EU directive. Even in the worst of times, under British domination, people had the right to harvest turf from the bogs.

Treasure your freedoms, whatever is left of them, because they are being eroded month by month. Stand up for the millions of decent Europeans who have been denied the basic right of exercising their vote by the amadáns in the EU, now being endorsed by their mandarins of vested interests here at home. Don’t cede your ability to think to the ‘thought police’ of this country and Brussels.
To doubt is safer than to be secure. It will be a privilege to vote No on Thursday, a privilege being denied to the millions and millions of citizens throughout Europe. By voting No, you are giving them a voice … and taking it away from the faceless bureaucrats of the Empire of domination that is Brussels today. You can help change the course of European history. Halt the bandwagon in its tracks this Thursday.

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One of our 'colleagues' has today threatened the Irish voters by saying that they will be the first victims of a NO vote. It's Bernard Kouchner, the French foreign minister. I'm sure the same threats were used on his own people before they rejected the same proposal, then styled a constitution, and they're still in one piece. In fact, inward investment to France has risen substantially in the last few years, up 33% in 2006 alone, the year after France said NO. So French experience provides an analogy for Ireland to ponder: it can be argued that a NO vote will not damage Ireland economically.

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Bernard Kouchner est-il devenu le meilleur allié des «nonistes» irlandais malgré lui ? Le chef du quai d'Orsay concentrait mardi toutes les critiques de la classe politique irlandaise après ses déclarations menaçantes lundi en cas de victoire du non au référendum qu'organise jeudi le gouvernement de Dublin sur le mini-traité européen. «Les premières victimes seraient les Irlandais. Ils en ont profité [des subventions européennes ndlr] plus que les autres», avançait Bernard Kouchner au micro de RTL lundi. «Tout le monde va le ratifier. Ce serait très, très gênant qu'on ne puisse pas compter sur les Irlandais qui, eux, ont beaucoup compté sur l'Europe. Un non provoquerait une gigantesque incompréhension», soulignait le ministre des Affaires étrangères. « C'est pas en étant seul qu'on va faire face. Au contraire les Irlandais se pénaliseraient. Pour développer leurs industries florissantes depuis qu'ils sont au cœur de l'Europe, il faut que l'Europe se développe», concluait-il.
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I'm praying with all my heart for the victory of NO.
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