English Independence

[Oliver Cromwell]

There is a widely held view that the UK is becoming a failed supranational state and that the process of its dissolution into the three home nations of England, Scotland and Wales is accelerating.

Oliver Cromwell is campaigning for English Independence, and will be pleased to hear suggestions from other nationalists how England's Independence may best make progress.

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Oliver Cromwell

There is a widely held view that the UK is becoming a failed supranational state and that the process of its dissolution into the three home nations of England, Scotland and Wales is accelerating.

Oliver Cromwell is campaigning for English Independence, and will be pleased to hear suggestions from other nationalists how England's Independence may best make progress.

Do you mean Oliver Cromwell?

[Menydh]

Right, I wonder what/who Oliver Cromwell. Could we speculate with a campaign for a neo-Puritan independent England?

If based on principles of ethnicity, what would be the status for Cornwall?

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Oliver Cromwell

There is a widely held view that the UK is becoming a failed supranational state and that the process of its dissolution into the three home nations of England, Scotland and Wales is accelerating.

Oliver Cromwell is campaigning for English Independence, and will be pleased to hear suggestions from other nationalists how England's Independence may best make progress.

Not using the name of Oliver Cromwell would be a big leap forward.

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[Delbáeth]

Just make sure you keep your mits out of Scottish oil.

[Routasydän]

Originally Posted by Errigal

Not using the name of Oliver Cromwell would be a big leap forward.

Yeah, I was just thinking "wow, he couldn't have picked a worse name".

[Sigurd]

Independence of the four nations that make up the United Kingdom is eventually a stride that is to be greeted by anyone who supports ethnic nationalism in any way, shape or form. Let us bear in mind though that it is hardly people with a particularly patriotic agenda who are plotting all this new feeling of identity at the minute (Hel, they've even achieved to sever Scotland of its heavily Germanic-influenced culture and made it purely Celtic, which isn't exactly anywhere near historical fact), so I heavily advise to fight one battle at a given time. First the Battle for Europe and Britain - and then, if has to be, the battle for independence of the nations on the British isles.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Sigurd

Let us bear in mind though that it is hardly people with a particularly patriotic agenda who are plotting all this new feeling of identity at the minute

I agree with you to some extent. But what should be done? Create another Nationalist party and split the already thin Nationalist vote? No, here's a new idea, why not stick with the one group and refine its membership and hone it's agenda with time. Also, they are not plotting a whole new identity, they are simply reviving their own.

(Hel, they've even achieved to sever Scotland of its heavily Germanic-influenced culture and made it purely Celtic, which isn't exactly anywhere near historical fact),

Okay Scotland has never had a heavily Germanic culture. That is just plain false. Scotland has always, and will always be a Celtic Nation. The Germanic influence in Scotland has never been welcomed, and more often than not it is all a direct result of English and protestant oppression of the native Scottish Celtic people. A culture that is forced on someone doesn’t count in all regards. Infact the reason Scottish Nationalists play on their Celtic roots in an act of sheer defiance of hundreds of years of tyranny. Just like Irish nationalists who set up Gaelic schools in direct defiance on England’s attempt slaughter of their language and culture.

So let us bear in mind, the Germanic culture in Scotland was never wanted, when it was being introduced millions of people died or were forced out of their homes and forced to flee their own country, hell as a result there is a bigger Scottish Diaspora in America that ahs a population greater than Scotland its self. Scotland is Celtic, and I guarantee you it will come to the fore once again. You don’t see a Germanic Scotland unless it’s in conjunction with the UK, that will be gone very, very soon.

so I heavily advise to fight one battle at a given time. First the Battle for Europe and Britain - and then, if has to be, the battle for independence of the nations on the British isles.

No. Independance for Scotland is a key factor in their survival. Go fight for Europe, Europe isn't the Scottish peoples concern, Scotland is.

Okay, since you happen to know more about the Scottish history than the very people that weep and bleed for their country, then please show us evidence of this heavily Germanic culture that hasn’t resulted in thousands of deaths or hasn’t involved the English people and has no connection with the UK, then see where you stand with your “heavily Germanic-influenced” culture.

You don’t understand why being Celtic means so much in the Nationalist movement, it is the opposition to a foreign and cruel and oppressive culture that was forced on our people. Don’t ignore history, and learn exactly why Germanic culture entered the picture.

[Menydh]

Sigurd, I believe that you are not being objective when you say that first it is the battle for Britain.. or for Europe. Two different entities, both wrong in terms of identity. Let us dissect both.

In terms of identity, Britain is not the solution but part of the problem, for the peoples of the Island(s). When you evoke a "British" identity, you are summoning an essence of multiculturalism unique to the Islands, and other peoples outside of Europe.

Scottish is Scottish, Irish is Irish... or even both are Gaelic, Welsh is Welsh, ... even Cornish is Cornish, but let us leave that now... English is English. And it is there where identity lies, therefore where you appeal to people for strength and for resistance.

British... well, Indians are British, Pakistanis are British, Afro-Caribbeans are British, Australians are British, Even Chinese are British, and so forth. It is a fabrication, a constructed pseudo-identity. In the Islands, it is the earliest manifestation of multiculturalism.

Aren't you a Folkish Nationalist? Then you must agree in that grassroots identity is the very essence of our identity, without which nothing else matters.

And so, Europe. It is not true that Europe constitutes an identity. It does serve as a platform where our individual, national identities are compared between themselves and in front of others. And not necessarily in racial terms.

First and foremost a Nationalist is concerned with the ethnopolitical identity, and secondly with the geopolitical sphere where that ethnic identity interacts with other identities.

When I say that I am Europeanist, I am strongly defining Europe in terms of my own ethnopolitical interests, as a geopolitical entity. Any other definition of Europe is by rule suspect of being harmful to my identity, either through loss of sovereignty or through forced homogeneisation.

What makes Europe special as a geopolitical entity, is precisely the rich variety and the diversity of the ethnopolitical identities that conform Europe. Without this, it is a mere continuation of the geographical Eurasian continent.

Back to the issue of Scotland, its identity is Gaelic. Germanic? I think that I can help you to see it more clear:

A bird told me that you had recently the visit of one Spanish nutcase babbling nonesense about God knows what Germanic identity in Spain, on account of the Goths. I'm sorry about that. With the Transition to democracy in Spain, many mental hospitals were closed because the State didn't want to pay for that burden, and then those nazi refugees around here who were bored without a reich of their own... you can imagine the cocktail!

Of course that the Goths are our heritage. Or at least the ones that history knows as the heroic Goths. But our identity remains vastly and largely what it has always been, with or without the Goths.

And so the same for Scotland. If some elements of Germanic origin were assimilated among the Scotts, they were assimilated into an identity that is Scottish Gaelic.

[Berrocscir]

There's a new civic nationalist political party just formed calling for english full independence - The Free England Party - they have no website, yet - they split from the English Democrats who only go so far as calling for an english parliament.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Sigurd

Independence of the four nations that make up the United Kingdom is eventually a stride that is to be greeted by anyone who supports ethnic nationalism in any way, shape or form. Let us bear in mind though that it is hardly people with a particularly patriotic agenda who are plotting all this new feeling of identity at the minute (Hel, they've even achieved to sever Scotland of its heavily Germanic-influenced culture and made it purely Celtic, which isn't exactly anywhere near historical fact), so I heavily advise to fight one battle at a given time. First the Battle for Europe and Britain - and then, if has to be, the battle for independence of the nations on the British isles.

I am still waiting to hear what this heavy Germanic culture there was?

You are trying to argue that Scottish Nationalist have constructed false Celtic identity? What is your evidence.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Leipreachán

I am still waiting to hear what this heavy Germanic culture there was?

You are trying to argue that Scottish Nationalist have constructed false Celtic identity? What is your evidence.

You must admit the Lowland Scots dialect is Germanic in origin. Scotland is culturally both Germanic and Gaelic.


Scottish Lowlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scots language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Errigal

You must admit the Lowland Scots dialect is Germanic in origin. Scotland is culturally both Germanic and Gaelic.


Scottish Lowlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scots language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes indeed, though he is trying to argue that Scottish Nationalists have constructed a false Gaelic identity, the reason Scottish Nationalists don't focus on the Germanic influence is because it has always been a negative influence. I don't ignore the Germanic components in Scotland, but people like him obviously overplay them to meet their own agendas.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Leipreachán

Yes indeed, though he is trying to argue that Scottish Nationalists have constructed a false Gaelic identity, the reason Scottish Nationalists don't focus on the Germanic influence is because it has always been a negative influence. I don't ignore the Germanic components in Scotland, but people like him obviously overplay them to meet their own agendas.

Everybody wants to be Germanic but the Germans it seems.

Some people on the internet seem to be sort of pan-Germanist Wiggers.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Errigal

Everybody wants to be Germanic but the Germans it seems.

Some people on the internet seem to be sort of pan-Germanist Wiggers.

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