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Israel urges Germany to ban NPD


NSNS Friday, 4 February 2005

BERLIN—Prompted by demands from the state of Israel, the German foreign ministry has called for the banning of the patriotic, populist National Democratic Party.

The demand came in the wake of German president Horst Köhler's recent trip of "repentance and atonement" to the Jewish state, in which he begged "forgiveness" and pledged to fight "anti-Semitism and right-wing extremism."


A leader of the Social Democrats in the Bundestag, Gernot Erler, joined in the call for a ban on the NPD.

"Germany will have an image problem if the impression that it can't get rid of these right extremists gains a foothold abroad," he told the Berliner Zeitung.

The vice-president of the German-Israeli Parliamentarian Group in the Bundestag, Reinhold Robbe (SPD), echoed Erler's sentiments and said that the Israeli demand was "indeed encouraging."

Ban of party still possible

The president of German high constitutional court, Hans-Juergen Papier, has meanwhile declared that a ban of the NPD is possible, despite the failure of an earlier attempt to outlaw it. Future attempts could still succeed, he said.

"The suspension of proceedings to ban [he party] then, does not represent a preordained decision on future efforts to ban [it]," Papier told the newspaper, Bild am Sonntag.


Earlier, in a visit to the Auschwitz theme park in Poland, Chancellor Gerhard Schröder singled out his country for special blame for alleged war crimes and "The Holocaust"®—this, despite the ethnic cleansing, mass murder and vastly more hideous and actual crimes committed by the wartime Allies, whose representatives sat piously in attendance at the event. He said it was the duty of Germans today to "confront the neo-Nazis" who now dispute such blood libels.

"The enemies of democracy and tolerance should never be tolerated in a well-fortified democracy," the chancellor asserted in unabashed Orwellian newspeak. "Never again should the anti-Semites succeed in suppressing and harming our Jewish citizens and bringing shame on our nation—nor should it ever happen, even outside our country."

Lawmakers walk out on the lie

The NPD has long been a thorn in the side of the German puppet government. On January 28 it caused outrage among the champions of "freedom and democracy" when 12 of its deputies in the Saxony state parliament walked out before a moment of silence in honor of so-called Holocaust and the Soviet capture of the Auschwitz internment facility in 1945.

NPD deputies compared the Jewish trademark non-event with the targeting of German civilians by the Allies in a very real "bombing holocaust" during World War II—including the ghastly fire-bombing of Dresden 60 years ago.

The NPD garnered national and world attention after winning 9.2 percent of the vote in Saxony last year. Its stand against immigration and the government's cavalier slashing of basic social programs for struggling and needy working families won it widespread support.




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Repression, Censorship, and Banning are the only weapons against rising Nationalism. There are no valid counter-arguments, Europe is being betrayed and sold wholesale.
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Israel will always whine about something and pull the strings of its puppets. I hope the NPD win as many votes as possible and let the jews and the BRD worry.
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Israel will always whine about something and pull the strings of its puppets. I hope the NPD win as many votes as possible and let the jews and the BRD worry.
Well, one thing is sure: if the Jews and the BRD really feel threatened, the NPD will definately be banned. Just compare it to the SRP ban in 1952.
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Haven't they tried this before? They failed in 2003. I suppose what they need is more encourraging from officials.
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B.M., Zyklop is pointing into the right direction. This campaign is being orchestrated with a single goal in mind.

And I fear that after the NPD more is to come, and not just in Germany but throughout Europe.
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You can ban a party, but you can't ban your own people. We will still have our opinions and thoughts. It won't go away because of a ban.
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I think so too. If it's not the NPD, it's another. As I said, they label anything that comes close to nationalism as extremist.
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I would welcome a bann. Maybe the people will finaly wake up and see that playing their game leads into nothing. Thats how the system keeps you buisy. Bann a party, let a new one be created, keep that one under observation, control it with infiltrators and spys, if it gets to big - ban it, let a new one be created, keep that one.... ad infinitum.
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I've heard that before, many years ago. Let's hope for a ban and we will take to the streets. It ended with a number of people in prison.
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Such foolish nonesense. this mania for banning things....the weight of logical argument & rational thought apparently being insufficient...

Its the sign of a government with a bad consciense & one that's insecure...
...and of course its the pious Israelites who are preaching from their pedestal again, the handbook of hypocrisy in one hand a machine gun in the other...
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I would welcome a bann. Maybe the people will finaly wake up and see that playing their game leads into nothing. Thats how the system keeps you buisy. Bann a party, let a new one be created, keep that one under observation, control it with infiltrators and spys, if it gets to big - ban it, let a new one be created, keep that one.... ad infinitum.
Indeed that's the game, you have described it perfectly. However, I think a party's ban can never be positive. Most nationalists are well aware of the vicious circle you mention, none really relies on the system to bring itself 'democratily' to an end. At least, a party that works like the NPD (not like the Spanish ones) allow you to have a presence among real people out of the internet. On the contrary, a mere party's ban, at least if the party is relatively small, will never be a trigger for massive mobilization of the people (that might be the role a much deeper social crisis). Did the recent ban of the Vlaams Blok lead to massive demonstrations and strikes in Flanders?
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The NPD won't be banned.It's a part of the System like all legal political party.
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The NPD won't be banned.It's a part of the System like all legal political party.
...until they get banned and therefore become illegal.
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...until they get banned and therefore become illegal.
It would have been banned long time ago,if it was a real problem for the System.
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It would have been banned long time ago,if it was a real problem for the System.
They didn´t have any political success or publicity since 30 years until now.
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It would have been banned long time ago,if it was a real problem for the System.
Don't under-estimate the desperation of the ones in power, now that they see that nationalism is spreading across Europe.
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@ Arjuna: no, the ban of the VB didn't do that, we (the voters) just bitchslapped the ruling parties with big smiles on our faces.
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In any case,I don't think that a German "Le Pen" would be so important thing.
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