The Mediterranid/Osteuropid type.

[Visigodo]

The Mediterranid/Osteuropid type.

They are short to medium stature, the pigmentation always disharmonic, the cephalic index variable, but in most cases dolychocephalic or mesocephalic, less leptoprosope and less lepthorrine if we compare with the Nordid/Mediterranid type:

http://forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=61305

Their descriptive characters present a curious mixture of Mediterranid and Osteuropid characters (Ph. 15a, 15b and 16a, 16b):






The variability of the cephalic index, the size that usually doesn't pass the average, the pigmentation disharmonic, denotes the miscegenation of two races, all two of small to medium size, but with different pigmentation and cephalic index.

The cœxistence of some characteristic particularities of the Mediterranean and Osteuropid, indicate the origin of the Mediterranid/Osteuropid type.

It is however interesting to note that when the individuals are mixed from more or less pure lines normally the mixed type come closer to the Mediterranean race that to the Osteuropid. Would it be here a dominance of the Mediterranean characters on the Osteuropid ones? It is difficult to say whatever it is thereon, before having more precise documents on the heredity of the characters inhaled. However that may be, in this blend, a bigger variability comparing with the Nordid/Mediterranid type.

This blended type corresponds to the formulas of the M-O type of v. Eicstedt.

From Olga C. Necrasov. Bucarest, 1941.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Visigodo

The Mediterranid/Osteuropid type.

They are short to medium stature, the pigmentation always disharmonic, the cephalic index variable, but in most cases dolychocephalic or mesocephalic, less leptoprosope and less lepthorrine if we compare with the Nordid/Mediterranid type:

Aren't 'Mediterranid' and 'Mediterranid' the same type?


I'm almost sure that I'm missing something. Or it maybe due to the effects of not having slept last night.

[Visigodo]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Aren't 'Mediterranid' and 'Mediterranid' the same type?


I'm almost sure that I'm missing something. Or it maybe due to the effects of not having slept last night.

Yes Mediterranid is Mediterranid in both mixed types; Nordid/Mediterranid and Mediterranid/Osteuropid. The last one is a quite interesting blend (anthropologicaly) and obviously can be found where such races are in contact. The two examples from Necrasov are Romanians.

[svin]

Visigodo, who is Olga Nekrasova (I think, it's more correct than Necrasov). She is Russian, according to her name and surname.

[Visigodo]

Originally Posted by svin

Visigodo, who is Olga Nekrasova (I think, it's more correct than Necrasov). She is Russian, according to her name and surname.

She was? an anthropologist but not sure if she was? russian. The real name and surname is Olga C. Necrasov not Necrasova. I have some works about the anthropology of the Romanian population from her ("ÉTUDE ANTHROPOLOGIQUE DE LA MOLDAVIE ET DE LA BESSARABIE SEPTENTRIONALES" and "STRUCTURE ANTHROPOLOGIQUE DE LA R.S. ROUMANIE") but I have 16 bibliographic references more and it seems that she have focused on the anthropology of Romania. Not sure if she was born in Romania or just she was? a russian anthropologist that made his work there.

[Truth-Finder]

Originally Posted by Visigodo

I have some works about the anthropology of the Romanian population from her ("ÉTUDE ANTHROPOLOGIQUE DE LA MOLDAVIE ET DE LA BESSARABIE SEPTENTRIONALES" and "STRUCTURE ANTHROPOLOGIQUE DE LA R.S. ROUMANIE")

Hmmmm....If I'm not wrong, the above mentioned works served as reference for Carleton Coon in his book Races of Europe and even included some pics from them (a pontid Med from Romanina's province of Bukowina I think....?)

[svin]

Olga is female name (came to Russia from Scandinavia). It's impossible for male to have this name. Necrasov would be for male, and Necrasova for female.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by svin

Olga is female name (came to Russia from Scandinavia). It's impossible for male to have this name. Necrasov would be for male, and Necrasova for female.

Then the logical conclusion would be that either her or one of her ancestors left Russia to end up in a country where family names do not use gender.

[svin]

Yes, that's possible. Also, female endings in Russian surnames are sometimes omitted in English texts.

[Menydh]

If you came to a country like Spain and had a girl child here, they would not allow you to register your child with the declined feminin form. That would be like registering the child with a different family name. However, after she of legal age, she could request a family name change.

[svin]

I see, it's the most hard for Icelanders then, since they take surname from their father's name.

[Visigodo]

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

Hmmmm....If I'm not wrong, the above mentioned works served as reference for Carleton Coon in his book Races of Europe and even included some pics from them (a pontid Med from Romanina's province of Bukowina I think....?)

Well I check it out and the example of Pontid type you mention I think is a farmer from Moldavia and the anthropologist is F. I. Rainer from "RÉCHERCHES ANTHROPOLOGIQUES DANS TROIS VILLAGES CARPATHIENES, BUCHAREST 1937". In his work TRoE did not have any reference from Necrasov mostly use Pittard and Rainer as reference for his analysys about the Romanians.

In Skadi "pro-Alpine" ask one question: "Aren't South-Eastern Europeans(espically Romanians and Bulgarians) between Mediterranid and Osteuropid?" And I add the answer that perhaps would be interesting for Stirpes's readers. Here is the answer:

To answer you question I think would be interesting to know what Necrasov wrote about the racial composition of the Romanian people. According to Necrasov the main racial type among Romanians belongs to the Dinarid type where the pigmentation, the most frequently disharmonic, distinguish the type, in the first place, the classic Dinarid. This Dinarid core finds its best expression in the mountainous regions of the country.
It is necessary to underline well that the Romanian "Dinaroids" are quite variable, often keeping more or less typically the skull shape of the classic Dinarid type (but also the Alpine) but frequently presenting in the facial region the characters of transition verse other types: toward the Mediterranid, toward the Alpinid, the Osteuropid and toward the Nordid type. To these variations, it is necessary to add again some rare representatives of the pure classic Dinarid type, as well as, the even rarer representatives (but identified well in some regions of the oriental Carpathes of a type blond Dinarid type).
All this "Dinaroids" variants that contributes to the constitution of the Romanian Dinaroid complex is present in all the territory while seeming to offer bigger concentrations in some regions. The Dinaroides can show characters of transition toward the Mediterranoides is more often identified in Olténie, Valachie, in some zones of Transylvania as well as in the regions of the hills and the plains of Moldavia. Those that offer characters of passage toward the Nordid seem to be more frequent in the oriental Carpathes and in Transylvania.
But the "Dinaroid complex" doesn't exhaust the variability of the human types in Romania. Together with Dinaroides, we find there, more or less often, some Alpinoids and Mediterranoids (belonging to the variant Pontid the most often - to the face less narrow and less high than the classic Mediterranid and presenting by addition the tendency in a stronger rounded shape of the skull, that there is often mesocephalic or sub-brachycephalic. These Mediterranoides can be found more often in Olténie and in Valachie, in South Moldavia and in the central regions of Transylvania. They is necessary to add the Nordoids and Osteuropids aswell, however they are very rare in pure form, as well as some representatives of Cromagnoids (either blond, either dark pigmented) identified by Necrasov to the Country of the Motis and to the Country of Vrancea. Finally, to close this list, let's note the presence of some Turanoids, Armenoids and Orientalids shapes, again nearly exceptional.


According to Coon “ The Bulgarians are a composite people, with the following racial elements easily discernible: (a) a medium to tall-statured Atlanto-Mediterranean; (b) a partially blond Neo-Danubian, of typical snub-nosed form; (c) a Nordic; (d) a Dinaric, with the usual Alpine corollary; (e) a brachycephalic central Asiatic Turkish or Tatar form. The basic element is the Atlanto-Mediterranean, which probably goes back to the Neolithic; the Neo-Danubian is probably of both Slavic and Ugrian introduction, although some of it may be older; the Nordic may be of several origins, including Thracian; the Dinaric is simply the result of Bulgarian admixture with local elements in Macedonia; the Turkic is found mostly in eastern Bulgaria, and then among townsmen and shepherds rather than among agriculturalists. Of these varied elements, the first two are the most important, and the first more than the second. The presence of a strongly entrenched Atlanto-Mediterranean population of Neolithic date in all of the lowland Balkans south and east of the Iron Gate is becoming increasingly evident. In Bulgaria it is geographically most concentrated along the southern ethnic periphery, and among Bulgarian colonies abroad, as in the Crimea”.




According to Droncilov the Bulgars there is four fundamental types, often mixed among them and with elements well specified not of origin Uralo-Altaic and Mongolian origin. In his investigations he mainly keeps in mind stature, cranial form and pigmentation, and it distinguishes two dolychocephalics and two brachychephalics types: the two first have elevated stature, but they can be differentiate for the pigmentation; the dark pigmented must to represent a European variant (Pontid) of the Mediterranean race; the one with light pigmentation, rarely pure, must be reported to the Nordid race. The brachycephalics that he considerer to belongs to "Sarmatid type", in which the Bulgar anthropologist finds similarities with the Dinarids from Yugoslavia. Especially as it regards the brachycephals in which the Dinarid element would be the most numerous, and that fits with the analysis of the somatic characters of the Bulgars. In number enough important it is found the Alpine type, while very scarcer type it would be the Osteuropid element (4,8%). However among the Alpinids types perhaps we can include the "Carpatid" of Biasutti, a pigmented variety of the Osteuropid/East-Baltid race.
Still discussed it is the origin of the pigmented dolychocephalics type of Bulgaria. Droncilov believes that he was be able to identify them with the ancient population of Russia, or rather with the Rjsan type, derived from the epoch of the Kurgans, but Loritz, at least for the dark dolychocephalics types of southern Bulgaria, think about a southern origin instead (Mediterranean in broader sense).

[Truth-Finder]

Originally Posted by Visigodo

Well I check it out and the example of Pontid type you mention I think is a farmer from Moldavia and the anthropologist is F. I. Rainer from "RÉCHERCHES ANTHROPOLOGIQUES DANS TROIS VILLAGES CARPATHIENES, BUCHAREST 1937". instead (Mediterranean in broader sense).

I've mistaken the tittles, they are so similar, aren't they?

[sdnomla]

What do you mean by "the pigmentation always disharmonic"?

[Visigodo]

Originally Posted by sdnomla

What do you mean by "the pigmentation always disharmonic"?

Disharmonic pigmentation means, for example to have light eyes and dark hair or light hair and dark eyes.