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Physical Anthropology The scientific study of the mechanisms of biological evolution, human adaptability and variation, and the fossil record of human evolution.

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Here I have the work of Dr. Ludwig F. Clauß by Skadi posted. Very interesting however the writing unfortunately on German.

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Here there is an introduction to his work in French and in Spanish. And here some more scanned plates from his book.

By the way, it reads "Ludwigh Ferdinan Clauss became one of the most reputed racial theorists and islamists of the period between world wars.

I see that somewhere else he is used as support for Eurasiaticism.
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I would be interested not in a translation of Clauß work, but in a translation of Aggripa's comment to it here: http://forum.skadi.net/showpost.php?...79&postcount=3

I can only guess bits and pieces from what he writes.
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What I have written I posted partly in other threads in the English section too, its the comparison of different personality type systems. What in Clauß system is in racial types, is in others in body types mainly (what corresponds) or a psychological element of the personality without physical correlation. I use rough descriptions, partly altered.

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Constitutional types after Kretschmer, Sheldon and Conrad mainly. Psychological types A from the same and B from Jung, Eysenck and some modern scholars:

Race =~ Constitutional type =~ Psy A =~ Psy B
Nordid sinewy Leptosome energetic Schizothyme Dynamic, creative Introverted
Dalofaelid athletic viscoes Static, stable Introverted
Alpinid Pyknic zyklothyme Static, stable Extraverted

Mediterranids, Orientalids and Armenids are not that easy to describe, but are mostly rather Schizothyme too, especially Orientalids, just with another accentuation.

Its obvious, Clauß travelled a lot and he understood Orientalids and the Islamic Arab world in its different forms better than most, from the quixotic original Semitic-Arab type, the Bedus, to the urban religious fanatics of Orientalid race and the nit-picking Armenids of the bazaars, mosques and Jewish synagogues.

In the nomadic herder warriors of the pure Arabid type, I see something very fascinating as well. The basic difference between Nordids, Mediterranids and Orientalids is in my opinion less extreme than between Nordids and Armenids or Nordids and Alpinids if its about the phychic characteristics on average. They are just the leading element of their respective regions and with a certain accentuation as a adaption to it.

The Alpinid type is for a warm and close social environment of larger groups, but not necessarily masses, in which he is constant social contact with other people. Typical zyklothyme temperament dominates stronger. He is not dangerous, but not as active and exploring, conquering as well. At best he can keep whats already there.

Armenids are the typical variant for the cities, as I said, for a harsh social environment in which small groups, families, clans and tribes constantly compete about domination, make social constructs to form strict group norms and to get others in the same system of thought, defend themselves by sophistry and have a weak physical component. The flesh is just a handicap, they always talk about "spirit", but finally get lost in their religious or theoretical constructs. Because such constructs are of great importance, rather the scholarship than heroic pride is the ideal. As I said, the physical component is weak, the autistic etherealness makes a realistic and naturalistic approach of physically strong types foreign.
Heroic and Faustic ways of thinking are very foreign to this character, and if not in a strict religious and group oriented system, they lose their form, their ideals and get driven by lust for power and control of others. After losing their believe they want to see the belief of others destroyed as well, because its a sting in their flesh, their character says them they are bad, and they have to compensate for their limited etherealness.
So those free from their strict religious and ideological systems are oftentimes the most dangerous ones, because if they are over a certain line of moral, they can't have any real higher moral and virtues any more.
Thats not that extreme in f.e. the Nordid type which is a performance oriented type. His main deficit is, and here he is clearly schizothyme, the oftentimes weaker social and emotional "intelligence" or better intuitive knowledge of the human nature. They have to learn and grasp it in a abstract way, its not connate like in zyklothymes or more social intelligent schizothymes from the Middle East which have certain stronger zyklothyme-extraverted tendency, probably together with a real social intelligence because of the longer selection for complex social environments in sedentary village and urban cultures.
The autistic tendency is stronger, in all races, in rather asthenic, weak leptosomic types which tend to be less energetic and outgoing, less physical, but more aesthetic and even more introverted. Thats partly the result of the weak body, can be encouraged by a culture of punditry. All that things and a selection in the Middle East and in Europe is true for Jews, Jews of Armenid race in particular (Clauß showed Alpinid Jews and describes how they are totally different from the extremely religious, intellectual or materialistic, but in every case extreme and more schizothyme, almost schizoid, Armenids), both from the biological and sociocultural, group perspective.

Interestingly there are statistics which show that Jews are stronger in sects in the USA, in a higher percentage than non Jews - SIGNIFICANTLY. Thats of course partly because of their education and social position, higher educated people are more often in sects, but still the difference is too big and seems to be associated with the general tendency of living in abstract and autistic thought systems, both because of genetical and cultural influences. People could speculate whether thats partly because of the Armenid type or a general Jewish, biological and/or cultural reasons.

Typical religious spinners and ethereal spiritual minded people and religious fanatics are quite often schizoid, schizoaffective (mostly in combination with manic tendencies), aesthetic schizothymes and hypomanics, manics. Depressive people are more followers than extreme believers, they are there, in a zyklothyme tradition, because they want to be "in a warm social environment", not because of the ideological construct.
Interestingly extreme think tanks in policy, extremists in general, but also people in science, especially those fields which are very autistic or demand a high grade of thinking "in terms of it, living in it and living the whole life in that science", and of course abstract intelligence on a high level, like Mathematics, Physics etc. are dominated by them as well.
So you see in this areas more people of extremely Leptosomic (even Asthenic) constitution and in the range of psychic variants shown above for sects too. The movie "A beautiful Mind" is a great example for the most extreme case, an individual going from schizoid to pathological schizophrenia, but being almost genial to the end and even afterwards.

This type can be very efficient, but at extreme, he is on its own oftentimes problematic, because he needs correction from the outside early on, otherwise wrong perceptions of the world can be hardened over time, which can lead to sexual deviations, criminal behaviour or ill extremism. But directed in the right form, its logic and efficiency is higher than in zyklothym and for sure viscoes people.
So zyklothyms are more average, more stable, easier to control, something Clauß writes about Alpinids, but on the other hand they lack the greatness.

Clauß does even say, what is right, how important culture can be. He ascribes the culture itself to the racial types, what makes them typical again, but at least he says that a culture can stamp a type, change its direction, he speaks of such individuals being not "in their natural system of thought", in a value system which is not appropriate to their race soul.

Here we have the problem, that culture and genes, nature and nurture are almost not to distinguish with a high certainty sometimes, for sure not with his intuitive method. But he described both quite good, the culture and the racial tendency, and we might ask if its really necessary to distinguish it? If, we can assume that many things, except from the very basic differences, are cultural, but still the biological component might be present with high probability, even if its on low level.

Just some thoughts to that subject, not an exact translation from the German article on Skadi though.
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That's what I thought, that you were giving an opinion/summary. Thank you for sharing.
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