Map: The races of Asia

[Agrippa]

This is a map for the predominant races of Asia before the European expansion after E. v. Eickstedt.
Its one of the best maps, though rather generalizing as most, for Asia I know of.

[Rusalka]

The whole of Asia Minor Armenoid? I think that's generalizing it a bit too far. I have the same sentiments for at least half the Caucasus as well. Starting with Georgians and north from there Armenoid appearences are very rare. Anthropologically the north to north-east of Black Sea littoral was classified under the Pontid strain whereas the parts to the south and south-east generally fall under the classification Asian variant of the Alpinids. Personally I have never seen an Armenoid-featured local from the Aegean coast, for example. Still, an interesting map, probably more generalizing than accurate but it gives a broad idea.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

The split into Western Siberian and Eastern Siberian with Northern Mongoloids in between is certainly interesting. This might indicate Mongoloids did evolve further south and only recently moved north, splitting the Siberians. It also brings into question the thesis of Mongoloid cold adaptation or not which Antiquarian argued against, once, at another place.

[norda]

Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff

The split into Western Siberian and Eastern Siberian with Northern Mongoloids in between is certainly interesting. This might indicate Mongoloids did evolve further south and only recently moved north, splitting the Siberians. It also brings into question the thesis of Mongoloid cold adaptation or not which Antiquarian argued against, once, at another place.

AFAIK this is proven by genetics already. The Nostratic Tat-C territory (racially Paleoastaic/Paleoeuropid) cut by southern Mongoloid migration.

[Agrippa]

If we speak about Southern we must say what "South" means in that context, since Mongolia, Manchuria is already south of the old Sibirid belt.

Sibirids themselves can be considered Mongoloid, at least the Eastern part, but still in a rather intermediate position between Europid and Mongolid, having features of both.

Eickstedt once described the Sibirid belt as the "dumping ground of Northern Eurasia".
There was pressure from both sides, from the Europids coming from Western Asia/Eastern Europe and from the core Mongolids coming from the South East (again not South East Asia but East Asia) so especially the West Sibirid group is oftentimes seen as some sort of accumulation than being a homogenous whole, though an older Sibirid base is still recognizable.

Eickstedt describes the whole racial history quite good with "centres of turbulence" which just means that out of those regions other regions were infiltrated-colonized constantly and the pressure was coming from there over a very long time. One of these centres was the Tungid base in-around Mongolia. The Tungids (rather herders-hunters) blocked a Northern migration of the Sinids, which of course wanted land for their agrarian way of living anyway. So the Sinids pushed in all directions except North (though Manchuria is mostly Sinid) as well. Look at Vietnam and the whole South East - this lead to the Mongolid expansion and the replacement of Weddids-Australoids-Negritids and to mixed-infantile tropical Mongolid variants (Palaemongolid).
In most of the cases more progressive types and cultures are pressing, more primitive losing. (India, South East Asia, Northern Eurasia)
Thats was at least the case before the horse came up and more modern weapons, not to speak about modern liberal society, but thats another topic.

I think its really obvious if looking at this map why humans more than once left Eurasia for America. Most of the time it might have been population pressure, sometimes by chance if following certain animal group.
Like the Sibirids the Indianids are far from being homogenous.

@Rusalka: Yes, thats a very generalized map and some types which Eickstedt describes himself with much details doesnt even show up of course.
But its rather about the dominant types of a region in a schematised way.

[Nordgau]

Originally Posted by Rusalka

The whole of Asia Minor Armenoid? I think that's generalizing it a bit too far. I have the same sentiments for at least half the Caucasus as well. Starting with Georgians and north from there Armenoid appearences are very rare. Anthropologically the north to north-east of Black Sea littoral was classified under the Pontid strain whereas the parts to the south and south-east generally fall under the classification Asian variant of the Alpinids. Personally I have never seen an Armenoid-featured local from the Aegean coast, for example. Still, an interesting map, probably more generalizing than accurate but it gives a broad idea.

Oh, Eickstedt travelled around a bit in that area and threw a closer look at the people there around 1960 which resulted in his book Türken, Kuden und Iraner seit dem Altertum. Probleme einer anthropologischen Reise ("Turks, Kurds and Iranians since Antiquity. Problems of an Anthropological Journey") of 1961. The anthropological bestiary which is presented in there is plentiful, among them e.g. Asian Alpinoid forms crying for their right and in Turkey the Anadolids as special Armenoid form marching at the forefront --there's no racial map in that book offered, though.

Anyway, that bw-map from the first volume of Historia Mundi is indeed generalizing much, and already the coloured earlier version in his main work is differentiating more in details.

[Agrippa]

More about the Sibirids:

Eickstedt distinguished West- from East Sibirids:
Subvarietas
Pars a: H. s. asiaticus Mongolide
Series A: Homines s. asiatici arctici Polargürtel
- Varietas 1: H. s. hyperboreus Sibiride
a.)H. s. h. ugrianus Westsibiride
b.)H. s. h. palaeasiaticus Ostsibiride


Some quotes (rough translations):
a) Schwidetzky:
Sibiride: Transient form between Mongolids and Europids in the Tundra areas of Sibiria; Ostjaken and Wogulen are representatives of a Western, Tschuktschen, Koryaken and Yukagiren of a Eastern wing.

Compare with this map:
http://forum.stirpes.net/attachment....achmentid=1788

b) Glowatzi:
They are considered as a protomorphic race, which is with its features between Europids and Mongolids.

c) Vogel:
The type is not homogenous because pushed, dispersed and oftentimes small and isolated populations. Many non-Mongolid features point to an old pre-Mongolid Eurasian element (compare with Ainui), they were sometimes interpreted as a transient form to the Europid racial forms.

Eastern forms have certain similarities to Eskimo and North American Indians (Pazifide), but to Ainu as well.