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Name Upper Paleothic type doesn't make sense since Mediterreans existed in that time frame
And I would agree in basic two types some time ago, nowdays I'd say I was wrong, same as you are today. Basicly because Cromagnoid (better name) vs Mediterranoid (Aurignacid after Coon afair, in fact culture from upper paleothic period) are related, and the first are "father" of the second and isn't any other specially range of Europid spectrum. I'd say more, since leptosomisation of body constitution and facial/head proportions/shape is fact what comes from various places (factor what indeed helps) where they live (climate, adaptation) and later as Progression (also depends of factors). Thats why Nordid, or better Nordoid nothern Europeans cluster with their nothern Cromagnoid neighbor, and southern Mediterranoid forms cluster with southern Cromagnoid forms. Acceleration of progression depends from many things (factors), not only timeline in what they exist. And remember that Mediterreanoid forms dont come from nowhere. So year by year "Cromagnoids" will be in smaller number. To rest I dont have time and humour to comment ![]()
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An interesting aspect of differentiation of Cromagnoid and Aurignacoid, I tried to further emphasize, namely the angle and position of the jaw, best visible in profile usually: ![]() Note that the 1st example of Nordid is clearer on that matter and seems to be more pronounced Aurignacoid if its about the jaw line than the example No 4 which is Nordid too. ![]() I think there are some good ideas in your test Amorsite, but probably too much concentration on certain detail traits and of course, the size aspect already Coon emphasized is crap, since there are large sized Aurignacoids and those can be clearly distinguished from the short-broad faced Cromagnoid variation, with this distinction of Cromagnoid vs. Aurignacoid being the real important one. Exemplified here: ![]() Borreby variants are brachycephalised Cromagnoids, so half way Alpinised one could say, Dalofaelids in most systems of value were considered those Northern Europids which are Cromagnid - so dolichocephalic-broad faced-light.
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![]() Cro-magnoids and Mediterranoids (Aurignacids) are both branches derivating from a same ancestor. Now who was this common ancestor? I do not think it has been stablished yet and I do not think it will be stablished for a long time.
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Or simpler (and clearer), they are reduced Cromagnoids. So it is using the term alpinised for reduced that produces confusion. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use the term reduced consistently?
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Therefore Alpinisation means an end result which is still clearly Europid, has however a brachycephalic head, broad face, short-medium body height, tendency towards pyknomorphy, stocky build and rather infantilised characteristics and proportions etc., etc. The typical Alpinoids from around the Europoid settlements have all, despite minor differences which came up through their different roots and regional mixtures (f.e. German with Nordid, French with Atlantid, Italian with Mediterranid, Iranian with Iranid etc.) a lot of - the crucial Alpinoid - traits in common which are more than just reduction per se, its a certain kind of change which includes a certain kind of reduction.
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Some of the most important being from North to South, West to East, Aurignacoid to Cromagnoid, robust to gracile, mature to infantile, progressive to primitive etc. We are rather dealing with overlapping aspects of a greater structure in Europoid and worldwide variation. Genetically there is a North-South divide which is the result of population movements and isolation which, however, doesnt predate the Aurignacoid vs. Cromagnoid dichotomy but vice versa and its main distinction is climatic, the form type advantages/disadvantages go beyond simple climatic considerations and include the way of life of a people which determined the selection in their habitat.
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How important is this divide? Is this one of the main genetic divisions among European Populations? could you pls provide maps, texts, sources? As far as I know and from what I've seen from European HaploGroups maps, the dividing lines tend to be rather more "vertical" than "Horizontal"
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Neolithic? Don't Central and Northwestern Europe have more Neolithic input than Southwestern Europe?
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato– |