Static vs Dynamic Character Typology?

[Agrippa]

[ edit: split follow-up to Nordic phenotype vs Nordic genotype, and origins. ]

If we agree in that, ceteris paribus, differences in skeletal morphology come mainly as a result of long-term adaptation to different environments --and I believe that no one would argue against that--, then I believe that one explanation for any metrical similarities between Nordids and Mediterranids, may well come from the fact that both are types that evolved in environments that offered some coincidence. Most likely this coincidence is that they were coastal regions.

In the end, the coastal areas helped to preserve what was produced further back in time, mainly because in some regions the nutrition and climate as well as the selective pressures were more positive in coastal areas.

But the Nordid and Mediterranid variants were once much more widespread and dominate in environments which are not too cold nor too hot, offered fairly good living conditions. Furthermore the areas were rather flat and there was a constant competition on a high level of groups and individuals for the ressources.

You should rather ask why the Nordid and Mediterranid (European Aurignacoids) were so successful first, after the end of the Ice Age, and lost terrain later. To answere this one has to look at the way they lived and the climate changed.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

You should rather ask why the Nordid and Mediterranid (European Aurignacoids) were so successful first, after the end of the Ice Age, and lost terrain later. To answere this one has to look at the way they lived and the climate changed.

I suspect that the answer is in that they are more dynamic types and everything that would come with it. Like, for example, a revolutionary approach to expansion in the search for new horizons in the unknown, they would lose numbers in various ways.

Conversely, the more static character of the Cromagnoids and derivatives would be a more conservative approach, like less adventured expansions.

Something along those lines?

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

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Conversely, the more static character of the Cromagnoids and derivatives would be a more conservative approach, like less adventured expansions.

Something along those lines?

I don't think Cro-Magnonoids are so static; they haveproven to be very expansive ; they had colonized NW Africa after experiencing partial depigmentation in Europe; they had spreaded IE languages at the earliest stages (cf; anthropological identification of human remains of the Srednii Stog and Dniepr-Donetz cultures) also, Tarim basin mummies showed cro-magnids affinties -yet, not all the europid mummies of Tarim Basin were cro-magnid; North-Indic and pamirir (rspectively "indo-afghan" and "pamir-Ferghana" in the terminology used by Dr. Han Kangxin ; while he uses the term "Proto-Europids" for the cro-magnids) are also represented in important numbers.

[Menydh]

Notice how I said Cromagnoids and derivatives. Think of Baltids, Alpinids, Berids.

I wonder, could Germany be used as an example? Compare historical Prussia where the Baltid element is significative, and historical Bavaria and Austria where the Alpinid element is significative, with "other" Germany.

Wouldn't you say that regions where less reduced types (e.g. Borreby, Faelid) are more significative show a lesser degree of conservatism.. and higher mobility?

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Notice how I said Cromagnoids and derivatives. Think of Baltids, Alpinids, Berids.

But what about "Aurignacoid" derivatives, like Gracile-Mediterranids, for exemple ?

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I wonder, could Germany be used as an example? Compare historical Prussia where the Baltid element is significative, and historical Bavaria and Austria where the Alpinid element is significative, with "other" Germany.

Wouldn't you say that regions where less reduced types (e.g. Borreby, Faelid) are more significative show a lesser degree of conservatism.. and higher mobility?

I don't really see. Prussia seemed to be the most mobile part of Germany before (see Prussian imperialism).
But such determinism mostly based on the head shape (since it seems to be the main criterion of differentiation in physical anbthropoly) is completely senseless IMO. At least, since there's no scientific evidence of it at all.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Cirrus

But what about "Aurignacoid" derivatives, like Gracile-Mediterranids, for exemple ?

What about them? Think, for example, of all the seafaring trade in ancient times.

I don't really see. Prussia seemed to be the most mobile part of Germany before (see Prussian imperialism).

Highly conservative imperialism. Compare to real empires.

But such determinism mostly based on the head shape (since it seems to be the main criterion of differentiation in physical anbthropoly) is completely senseless IMO. At least, since there's no scientific evidence of it at all.

Maybe you are right. I'm only moving along the lines that others before me moved in a limited, reductionist and erroneous fashion.

It doesn't mean that I have to agree at 100%. But I surrogate the right to enjoy it myself.

[Agrippa]

Speaking about Cromagnoids its true, as a tendency, that they are more viscoese and slow, less creative, flexible and mobile, at least in comparison to Nordid and Mediterranid. They are more static in a way, but that doesnt mean they can't be aggressive, dominating and mobile, even on the contrary.

Tungids are an even more extreme case going in a similar direction compared to Nordomediterranid variants, but they were obviously quite mobile and expansive as Turks and Mongols in particular.

Furthermore we have to distinguish between different basic Cromagnoids, because especially the more classic variants are not that lateral, heavy build with a strong tendency towards fatness. This particularly true for the Kurgan-people which had a strong Nordoid tendency.

The main problem of the progressive Cromagnoids was the energy efficiency. In that way the derivatives are true saving variants like a smaller and lower performing car model of a bigger but more fuel needing "brother model".
This high investments must be justified and this was primarily the case if the nutrition was good and the positive selection high in a rather colder environment.

If it became warmer, Aurignacoid-leptomorphs were overall as or even more effective and therefore able to win the competition until the derivative saving variants used save spaces for their success through higher reproductive rates in subdominant groups or social classes, especially in the very unfavourable areas.