GONIAL ANGLES: how to know when are they compressed and when they aren't?

[Señor Malo]

Can anyway explain me, Please?
Thank you (beforehand )

[Agrippa]

The best way to explain it is to show the two basic categories of Europids, namely Aurignacoid and Cromagnoid.

Prehistoric examples (Combe Capelle vs. Oberkassel after Knussmann):


Classic Skandonordid (Aurignacoid/leptodolichomorphic Europid) with very compressed gonials:


Modern living Cromagnoid individual with flaring gonials


vs. the Aurignacoid Nordid Donald Sutherland with compressed gonial, narrow jaws:


The angle and form the mandible has if looking at it from the profile is important too to distinguish a typical Aurignacoid from a Cromagnoid form.

Compare with this as well:
The Cromagnoid Type

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

The best way to explain it is to show the two basic categories of Europids, namely Aurignacoid and Cromagnoid.

Prehistoric examples (Combe Capelle vs. Oberkassel after Knussmann):


Classic Skandonordid (Aurignacoid/leptodolichomorphic Europid) with very compressed gonials:


Modern living Cromagnoid individual with flaring gonials


vs. the Aurignacoid Nordid Donald Sutherland with compressed gonial, narrow jaws:


The angle and form the mandible has if looking at it from the profile is important too to distinguish a typical Aurignacoid from a Cromagnoid form.

Compare with this as well:
The Cromagnoid Type

So the gonial angle compression helps to distinguish the cro-magnid spectrum from aurignacid spectrum.
Gonial angles compression can help -for instance- to distinguish a nordid from a mediterranid?

[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

So the gonial angle compression helps to distinguish the cro-magnid spectrum from aurignacid spectrum.

Yes, its one of the most striking mprphological differences which go beyond the proportional aspects.

Gonial angles compression can help -for instance- to distinguish a nordid from a mediterranid?

Little, since both are Aurignacoid. In this case the depths and height of the lower jaw and chin in particular are more important.
Its more important for distinguishing in the Nordoid group Aurignacoid (Skando- and Eastnordid) from Cromagnoid (Dalofaelid) and in the South Aurignacoid Atlanto-Pontids and Gracilmediterranids from Berberid and Berid. Though, since especially the latter are more reduced, the difference is less striking than in the North quite often.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Atlanto-Pontids and Gracilmediterranids from Berberid and Berid. Though, since especially the latter are more reduced, the difference is less striking than in the North quite often.

Specially if tlking about atlanto-pontid; I bought Coon's TROE last week and received just today ; I've been looking at some pics of Pontid exemples and was impressed about the two first ones about how high their nasal roots are; no wonder that it comes so difficult to distinguish them form nordids; judging frm the two more striking exemples in TROE I daresay that pontids might have in some cases the highest nasl roots - though medium high seems to be the rule (just as if it come out from the very base of the frontal bone; as if there was no transition with the glabella) But of course this comes out of the morphological trait discussed here