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Interesting. A comment from the videos (square brackets where I didn't catch a word).

"... what's fascinating is that the [] typical Cornish face is indeed different from other face types found in other regions of Britain [] suggests a different ancient ancestry."

Also, does the description that they make of the Viking fit with that of "Nordic"?
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"... what's fascinating is that the [] typical Cornish face is indeed different from other face types found in other regions of Britain [] suggests a different ancient ancestry."
The impression I got was that they were describing the original Celts as some kind of dark Keltic-Nordics or Dinaricised Atlanto-Med forms. Litorid, even.

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Nordic, yes, but not necessarily Nordid. They described them as taller and thicker set than the Celts. Many of the so called 'Norse viking' descendants they filmed in the Orkney looked more Northern CM than classic Nordid. You can watch that episode here:

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The impression I got was that they were describing the original Celts as some kind of dark Keltic-Nordics or Dinaricised Atlanto-Med forms. Litorid, even.
Exactly. I've been wondering about that lately. The Keltic-Nordic wording sounds a bit fishy.
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Interesting introduction, where he says we will finally know who is descended from:-

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"Ancient Celts, Anglo-Saxon Farmers, Viking Warriors and Norman Invaders"
So, they were all invaders except for the Anglo-Saxons, who were simply foreign investors who bought out the Celts and built farms on their land instead?
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So, they were all invaders except for the Anglo-Saxons, who were simply foreign investors who bought out the Celts and built farms on their land instead?
Right; ancient celts commited massive suicide so that future generations would regard their newly-arrived quiet neighboors Anglo-Saxons as ruthless assasins
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Right; ancient celts commited massive suicide so that future generations would regard their newly-arrived quiet neighboors Anglo-Saxons as ruthless assasins
Yes. The king Arthur must be posthumously indicted for incitement to genocide at the International Court of Justice in the Hague.
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Judging by this video English are 50% Celts, so you can't blame them. Only pure Anglo-Saxons are to blamed, who do not exist anymore, and not the descendants of Anglo-saxon men and Celtic women in equal proportions. Right?
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Svin, in the video they don't make a distinction beetween female and male DNA lineages. Which is what DNA studies have been pointing out. The male lineages of the Celts were ruthlessly exterminated, and the females were spared to be sexual mates. Otherwise the DNA in Eastern Britain would have been still overwhelmingly Celtic in spite of the invasions of the Angles, the Saxons and the Jutes.

Take as an example of the opposite the Goths in Spain. An entire nation entered the lands and diluted in the population.

That Western Britain is overwhelmingly Celtic was a known fact. Corwall and Devon in the South, Wales, and Cumbria in the North.
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When discussing about this topic, it always comes into my mind the following map:


It clearly shows Germanic (Anglo, Jute and Saxon) influence in Central and Eastern England, while Western England: NW England, and "Southern Wales" or "Greater Kernow" remained pretty much unchanged.

Anyway, where I think Germanic influence most impact had in the population composition was in East Anglia (50% Germanic and 50% Celtic?), while in the rest of England the impact was much lower (30% Germanic and 70% Celtic?) and almost irrelevant in Western England.
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"Greater Kernow"
That would be, roughly, the old Kingdom of Dumnonia.

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So the Viking descendant woman looks like Rossana Arquette
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So, they were all invaders except for the Anglo-Saxons, who were simply foreign investors who bought out the Celts and built farms on their land instead?
Of course, land prices must have fallen dramatically after the Romans left, they were simply opportunistic and naive 'farmers' who happened to displace and slaughter thousands of native Celts somehow during the process of buying the land.

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