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Who do you think the greatest intellectual icon, Aristotle or Socrates? And do motivate your answer.
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Default Re: Who do you think the greatest intellectual figures, Aristotle or Socrates?

I have chosen SOCRATES. I have not chosen him for philosophycal reassons, as my knowledge about philosophy is not as good as to enter a deep debate, but just suficient to point out elementhal differences.

I chose Socrates for his attitude against death, or what is more important, because he proved to be a man that believed in principles and would stand for them even if that could cause him death. Aristoteles for the contrary, simply escaped to his mothers island.

You can be the most fantastic artist, philosopher, or what ever of the world, but if you fail to have principles you would not meet the minimun to be a proper MAN/WOMAN.
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It's a funny choice, since Socrates did not write anything as far as we know. A choice between Platon and Aristoteles then perhaps? But I tend to see their influence almost as one body, even if they differed from each other.
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It's a funny choice, since Socrates did not write anything as far as we know. A choice between Platon and Aristoteles then perhaps? But I tend to see their influence almost as one body, even if they differed from each other.
Yes, I agree.
All we know of Socrates come from the writings of others such as Plato or Xenophon. The best account is likely given by Plato but he uses Socrates in much of his work to act as his own voice. The Socratic dialogues are almost certainly fictional accounts that Plato uses to put across his own thoughts and ideas.

So I would concur, a choice between Plato and his pupil, Aristotle, would seem more logical.
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Default Re: Who do you think the greatest intellectual figures, Aristotle or Socrates?

I'm vote for Socrates because his steams down the question regarding the distance of the earth and the sun and moreover Socrates doctrine based on morality and politics how those two factors has an impact on everyone lifes and also most of his thought were per dominant in a sense that the questions that he put up left most of the post-Socratic unanswered and even to Socated himself


Meanwhile Aristotle doctrine related to law of nature and the boundaries, which we co-exit and this gives eventually gives meaning of our life that circled around the boundaries. However its not something you're able to prove through any kind of measurement.
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Knowledge being the amounting and accumulated learning, passed on through one generation to the next, I don't think that it is wise to compare two such men in such a way, as if they were two brands of makeup or clothes.

You can compare two schools of thinking on one given matter or question, for example. Or, sure, two key figures on one matter. But this seems to me as frivolous.
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Knowledge being the amounting and accumulated learning, passed on through one generation to the next, I don't think that it is wise to compare two such men in such a way, as if they were two brands of makeup or clothes.
Indeed. Aristotle was a development of Socrates' philosophy in as much he was the pupil of the pupil of Socrates. Aristotle had his own style and thoughts, but it arguably could not have existed without the philosophy of Socrates and Plato.
In fact, although he seems to argue against the latter's theories he is still very tied into his way of thinking and at times eventually arrives back at the very same conclusions.
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For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish.
- Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596).

The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation.
- Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature

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I prefer Plato, although Aristoteles has his merits too.
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I prefer Plato, although Aristoteles has his merits too.
You prefer Plato?
I thought you were Plato.
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Plato's dialogues contain more wisdom than Aristotle's works as far as one is able to make make use of the universal nature of the knowledge and principles they contain. They are also not as much sleep introducing
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