Orthodoxy vs. Neo-Paganism

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

For me there is only one religion, and all the others are heresies.

This "only religion" is Eastern Orthodoxy or Christianism as a whole ? Are Western Catholics and Protestants heretics to you?

[Rodozashtitnik]

When you say "eastern" Orthodoxy can you tell me where's the "western orthodoxy? There's only one Orthodox Christian Fate. I've said "all the others are heresies", and I mean it.

[Sergius]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

It is simple, Bulgarians are Bulgarians. Recent researches show that there were Bulgarians on the Balkans 5000 years ago.

I am unfamiliar with this. Bulgarians existed 5000 years ago, I don't quite understand - as Thracians, do you mean?

[Rodozashtitnik]

The last researches show that Thracians and Bulgarians are one people. The Bulgarians who lived here thousand years ago are named Thracians by the historians, but they were proto-Bulgarians.

[Carnyx]

Rodozashtitnik you scare, man.

[Ostrogorski]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

It is simple, Bulgarians are Bulgarians. Recent researches show that there were Bulgarians on the Balkans 5000 years ago. There are many opinions about our origin, some think that we are huns, some think that we are heirs of Thracians. I'm sure about one thing though, we are not Slavs.

I think Bulgarians actually are Slavs,i don't think you are Huns - that's simply not true...proto-Bulgars were Turanid tribe,and they lived on river Volga,then they moved toward ancient Dacia and Thracia and stayed there for good...these proto-Bulgars were minority and soon disappeared mixed with Slavs and other,mostly indigenous populations like Thracians,leaving only their ethnic name to a newborn nation...Bulgarians speak a Slavic language,and this language is very close to Serbian...

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by Sektor

I think Bulgarians actually are Slavs,i don't think you are Huns - that's simply not true...proto-Bulgars were Turanid tribe,and they lived on river Volga,then they moved toward ancient Dacia and Thracia and stayed there for good...these proto-Bulgars were minority and soon disappeared mixed with Slavs and other,mostly indigenous populations like Thracians,leaving only their ethnic name to a newborn nation...Bulgarians speak a Slavic language,and this language is very close to Serbian...

So, your opinion is that the Bulgarians are slavs only because we speak a Slavic language? Do you know who create the Cyrillic alphabet? Those two saints were Bulgarians. By the way, in the Bulgarian language you can find many Hun's words.

[Rodozashtitnik]

By the way, right now the people that is the closest to the Huns' language is the people of Chuvashia (I don't know how to spell it in English). They are Bulgarians as well.

[Carnyx]

No real European nationalist would admit ties with a semi Mongoloid people. I'm quite surprised.

[Rodozashtitnik]

I've said before that Bulgarians' ancestors were Thracians. That means that we are Balkans' natives. The Huns were not all mongoloids, there were many european people as a part of that tribe.

Here's an information:

The Bulgarian khans, for instance, believed they were descended from Attila. Indeed, the language of Volga Bulghars, currently known as the Chuvash language, is the most divergent of all the Turkic languages, which testifies to its separate existence for centuries before the dissolution of the Proto-Turkic unity happened. "Formerly, scholars considered Chuvash not properly a Turkic language at all but, rather, the only surviving representative of a separate subdivision of the Altaic languages probably spoken by the Huns".

[Ostrogorski]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

So, your opinion is that the Bulgarians are slavs only because we speak a Slavic language? Do you know who create the Cyrillic alphabet? Those two saints were Bulgarians. By the way, in the Bulgarian language you can find many Hun's words.

No,not just because of the language...if you read my post carefully you'll see...I think that we(Serbs and Bulgarians) are kin...

I don't know about Cyrillic alphabet...Bulgarians say that st.Cyrill and st.Methodius were Bulgarians,FYROMers say that they were "macedonians",Greeks say that they were Greeks etc.Who should i trust,then?

and don't get me wrong,i don't want to start a new discussion on Cyrillic alphabet,just want to say that Bulgarians are Slavs...proto-Bulgars aren't...you should know that...after all,your nickname is Rodozashtitnik,which means Kinprotector,in both Serbian and Bulgarian language...

[Ostrogorski]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

No real European nationalist would admit ties with a semi Mongoloid people. I'm quite surprised.

yeah,me too...pretty unbelievable,right?

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

When you say "eastern" Orthodoxy can you tell me where's the "western orthodoxy?

"Eastern" is generally added since Orthodoxy is mostly spread in Eastern Europe.

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

There's only one Orthodox Christian Fate.

Faith.

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

I've said "all the others are heresies", and I mean it.

Ok, things are clearer now.

[Buery]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

By the way, right now the people that is the closest to the Huns' language is the people of Chuvashia (I don't know how to spell it in English). They are Bulgarians as well.

Chuvash are mix of some Turkic, Fenno-Ugrian and Iranian tribes. Their language is Turkic with many Iranian words as well. They have some Bulgarian blood, but it's almost vanished in the years. T. You can't claim they are Bulgarians because they aren't.
Also, nobody knows for sure what kind of language did the ancient Bulgarians speak.

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by Sektor

No,not just because of the language...if you read my post carefully you'll see...I think that we(Serbs and Bulgarians) are kin...

Well, maybe we are not. I don't know for sure. I don't know much about serbs' origin. I know for a fact though that, when we were under communist slavery we were all Slavs. But I think there's a huge ethnical difference between Slavs and Bulgarians, or Serbs for that matter.

I don't know about Cyrillic alphabet...Bulgarians say that st.Cyrill and st.Methodius were Bulgarians,FYROMers say that they were "macedonians",Greeks say that they were Greeks etc.Who should i trust,then?

First of all, there's no such thing as "macedonians". They are Bulgarians, sorry. And the Greeks - they wanted all, but unfortunately (for them) St. Cyrill and St. Methodius were Bulgarians. I think there's no doubt about that, at least for me.

and don't get me wrong,i don't want to start a new discussion on Cyrillic alphabet,just want to say that Bulgarians are Slavs...proto-Bulgars aren't...you should know that...after all,your nickname is Rodozashtitnik,which means Kinprotector,in both Serbian and Bulgarian language...

Proto-Bulgarians and nowadays Bulgarians are ethnically the same. There's a lot of information about that, but I think you are confusing language and ethnical aspect. The Bulgarian language is a mixture of proto-Bulgarian and Slavic words. Yes, our languages are resembled, but they are not entirely the same.

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by Theobald

"Eastern" is generally added since Orthodoxy is mostly spread in Eastern Europe.

Yes, but there's no Western Orthodoxy. Where's the Eastern Catholicism then?

Faith.

Right. My mistake.

Ok, things are clearer now.

All right.

[Buery]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

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Proto-Bulgarians and nowadays Bulgarians are ethnically the same. There's a lot of information about that, but I think you are confusing language and ethnical aspect. The Bulgarian language is a mixture of proto-Bulgarian and Slavic words. Yes, our languages are resembled, but they are not entirely the same.

What exactly is "Slavic" and which ancient tribes speaked it according to you?