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[Crvena zvezda]

Obtained from Victory or Death.

Russian Orthodox Church rejects PC Charter



Over on the Orthodox England site I noticed that Russian Orthodox Church refuses to approve the Ecumenical charter of European Churches on the basis that:
‘The Ecumenical Charter embodies the inferiority complex of European Christian Churches, their capitulation in the face of challenges from the secular world’
I recall a quote from a book I read recently which stated the following:
As many young priests and pastors themselves no longer believed in the inerrancy of the truths they had been taught, and they did not want to be left behind as the young departed, they attempted the impossible: to reconcile Christianity to the counterculture. But in their desperation to make themselves relevant, they only made themselves ridiculous.
And nowhere is this more evident than in the following assertion:
'On the one hand, the Charter proclaims that Christianity is the spiritual foundation of Europe, but, on the other hand, cultural and religious pluralism are at the same time encouraged’
Talk about signing your own death warrant. And an effort to make themselves relevant would not be complete without a liberal sprinkling of shameless sucking up to Jews. The bizarre self-flaggelation that these 'churches' insist on defies logic. At one point the charter suggests that:
'Christians should repent for the persecution of Jews’.
But if anyone ever persecuted Jews it was never the Churches themeselves, so what do they have to be sorry for? Even if one accepted every single aspect of the holocaust dogma, at what point was the Russian Orthodox Church guilty of gassing people? Why would they want to sign such a statement?
And to the following heresy I can only reply: Read the Talmud. The Talmud was not around at the time of Jesus, but is now the most holy text for Jews. In it one may discover what kind of respect Jews have for Christians:
It is urgently necessary, in the worship and teaching, doctrine and life of our churches, to raise awareness of the deep bond existing between the Christian faith and Judaism, and to support Christian-Jewish co-operation.
And naturally dialogue with Islam is encouraged:
We would like to intensify encounters between Christians and Muslims and enhance Christian-Islamic dialogue at all levels. We recommend, in particular, speaking with one another about our faith in one God, and clarifying ideas on human rights.
Who do these 'churches' think they are? They clearly regard their role as a political rather than a spiritual one. Why would Christians need to clarify ideas on human rights. Christians have their own values, what possible enhancement can dialogue with Islam bring to Christianity? The actual implication is of course to try and bring Muslim values into closer alignment with the values these churches espouse. But whats the point? They have a responsibility to preach the truth, not transform Islam to a faith which is more acceptable to the EU elite so that immigration and the multicultural utopia can continue unfettered. In any event Islam shows infinitely more resistance to reform than any of these pseudo-churches and it would be utter naivety to believe that people with such little conviction can influence them. These churches are just doing the bidding of the political elite who want to make sure that all religions espouse some kind of mish-mash, politically correct, human-rights type of morality which is compatible with secular, multi-cultural Europe.

[Marcus Marulus]

Good for them.

[Menydh]

They make some good points too.

[Ostrogorski]

nice to hear...

[Franze]

I am confident of the orthodoxy, it´s a great religion.

[Susi]

Good for the Orthodox Church!

[Marcus Marulus]

Union of Christian Churches on the basis of the lowest possible denominator (some basic dogmas), after that a "reconciliation" with Judaism and Islam - this is a very old Rosicrucian idea first espoused by a Czech writer and theologian Jan Amos Komensky-Comenius (17th century) in his treatise Lux ex Oriente. His idea of the Union of Churches was not that supported by most of his contemporaries, who wanted all Christianity to become either Roman Catholic (ie. recognition of Pope as supreme leader of the Church), or Eastern Orthodox (the Orthodox saw possibility of the reunion of Christianity in terms of acknowledging the equality of all patriarchs, without one supreme head, that is the Orthodox conception of the Church) or Protestant (Church without priesthood and mass).

Comenius wanted some supreme body to be formed, which would consist of "elders" chosen from all these Churches. This sort of a council would be supreme authority in the whole Christianity. The authority of the traditional hierarchy (Pope, bishops, priesthood, patriarchs...) would thus become secondary in importance. This supreme body, chosen from representatives from all Churches, would then lead Christianity in an "Ecumenical" direction and prevent religious conflicts. The true precursor of the modern Ecumenism!

Comernius was also inventor of the modern concept of school education. Just a coincidence?

[Errigal]

I heard a Jewish university professor say the "Holocaust was the result of 2,000 Easter Sundays." This kind of thing is too much. It is a lie built on top of another lie.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Union of Christian Churches on the basis of the lowest possible denominator (some basic dogmas), after that a "reconciliation" with Judaism and Islam - this is a very old Rosicrucian idea first espoused by a Czech writer and theologian Jan Amos Komensky-Comenius (17th century) in his treatise Lux ex Oriente. His idea of the Union of Churches was not that supported by most of his contemporaries, who wanted all Christianity to become either Roman Catholic (ie. recognition of Pope as supreme leader of the Church), or Eastern Orthodox (the Orthodox saw possibility of the reunion of Christianity in terms of acknowledging the equality of all patriarchs, without one supreme head, that is the Orthodox conception of the Church) or Protestant (Church without priesthood and mass).

Comenius wanted some supreme body to be formed, which would consist of "elders" chosen from all these Churches. This sort of a council would be supreme authority in the whole Christianity. The authority of the traditional hierarchy (Pope, bishops, priesthood, patriarchs...) would thus become secondary in importance. This supreme body, chosen from representatives from all Churches, would then lead Christianity in an "Ecumenical" direction and prevent religious conflicts. The true precursor of the modern Ecumenism!

Comernius was also inventor of the modern concept of school education. Just a coincidence?

There can be never be reconcilliation with Judaism or with Islam. Judaism killed jesus and the latter encourages their followers to convert us by any means - including the dhimmi (blood tax) under which they steal children. It is unlikely that there can never be reunion with protestants, considering how heretical they are especially with groups like Mormons, Jehovahs and evangelicals (not only that Martin Luthers followers had some idea's about protestantism being part of Orthodsoxy but it was tejected by the Orthodox church). I can only see some reconcilliation between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, but I doubt reunification will occur -- due to small ideological reasons and bad blood from several previous attempts -- and even then I only see this happenning after internal problems between Churchs within Orthodoxy are solved (which will likely happen with in the next 10 years or less).

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

There can be never be reconcilliation with Judaism or with Islam.

There can never be "reconciliation" with them because there was never any conciled relation which could or should be rebuilt.

Judaism is much the antithesis of what Christianism represents and the relation with Islam has always been a conflict struggle.

It is unlikely that there can never be reunion with protestants

There shouldn't be. The only reunion should be between the Western and Eastern Churches.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

There shouldn't be. The only reunion should be between the Western and Eastern Churches.

The reunion will never happen. It is not a viable option, unfortunately.

But something that is a viable and desirable option would be a mutual cooperation and respect. No further biting each other, cursing pope or patriarch as "heretic" or "schizmatic".

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

There can be never be reconcilliation with Judaism or with Islam. Judaism killed jesus and the latter encourages their followers to convert us by any means - including the dhimmi (blood tax) under which they steal children. It is unlikely that there can never be reunion with protestants, considering how heretical they are especially with groups like Mormons, Jehovahs and evangelicals (not only that Martin Luthers followers had some idea's about protestantism being part of Orthodsoxy but it was tejected by the Orthodox church).

Of course, it's never going to happen. Comenius was a weirdo anyway. But it doesn't mean Freemasons won't keep on striving in that direction...but someone must stop them.

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

I can only see some reconcilliation between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, but I doubt reunification will occur -- due to small ideological reasons and bad blood from several previous attempts -- and even then I only see this happenning after internal problems between Churchs within Orthodoxy are solved (which will likely happen with in the next 10 years or less).

Yes, I concur. As I said, reconciliation, cooperation and mutual respect.