Good sample of Russians (HQ pictures)

[Ross]

They're students of a high school of economy in Moscow

http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/students/2nd_year.htm

A few examples:






















If anybodybody thinks that my selection of types do not represent the sample, let me know your opinion!

[Ross]

Of course, there are quite a few non-Russians on the list: Ukrainians, Jews, Caucasians, and Turkics, identifiable by their surnames quite easily.

But some people have Russian surnames, having nothing to do with the Russian folk:

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Ross

Of course, there are quite a few non-Russians on the list: Ukrainians, Jews, Caucasians, and Turkics, identifiable by their surnames quite easily.

But some people have Russian surnames, having nothing to do with the Russian folk:

Well identifiable by those who can read Russian. What are these two girls origin?

This one has a quite swarthy complexion.

Your women tend to have lighter eyes it seems, no?

What about this one?... Some sort of Lap?

[Ross]

Well identifiable by those who can read Russian

Sometimes even knowledge of Russian is not enough, as a lot of Tukic surnames are "Russified", so they may look Russian to person not familiar with Russian culture.

For example:



Ruslan Sadriev (note epicanthus).
"Sadr" is not a Russian word/root, but Turkic/Islamic. Also his name is rather un-Russian (used to be Russian!!!) and second name is decidedly Turkic.

With the other hand, some of Russian surnames have Turkic origin, yet are perfectly Russian. Such surnames are not Russified thou, but adjusted and have only distant connection with its Turkic roots, unlike the above example.

More, almost all of Siberians, East Finns, and Tatar sub-ethnoses (like Mishari, Kryasheny) have genuily Russian surnames. Even 1/3 of Tatars propers have genuily Russian surnames! Luckily accompanied by non-Russian names and second names in many cases.

For example, two Tatars



Both have Russian sounding sur-names: Amirov and Smirnov. But Amirov stems from "Amir" - a Turkic/Islamic word, while Smirnov is genuily Russian.

Same story also with these two Tatars:



So it's not easy...

What are these two girls origin?

Surnames are Russian

This one has a quite swarthy complexion.

Tanned.

Your women tend to have lighter eyes it seems, no?

There is more aboriginal, Finnic blood in Russian women than in Russian men, so... Russian women tend to be a bit darker eyed...

What about this one?... Some sort of Lap?

Russians have about 5-6% of brown eyes, mostly in the South, associated with the Med type.

Like this one:



But they're individuals, and pretty rare.

Also Russians have about 0.12% of eoicanthus.

With the other hand, Volga-Ural ethnicities have 50% of brown eyes, 30% of epicanthus and Lap-like phenotypes. So I conclude she is of Uralic origin.

So it's far from being easy, like with this guy with Armenian name and surname:



Note also this guy:

http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu...GKartashov.JPG

His second name betrays his Jewish origin...

But, again, it's all complicated now.

I once worked with a group of people with perfectly Russian names, surnames, second names, culture... but too many of them were brown-eyed. Out of 6 only 3 were blue eyed, and 3 - brown eyed. But in the course of time I found out that one person (with Lapp-like look) is half-Tatar, and the second person was of Greek origin. I didn't manage to find out ethnic roots of the third person (I was not interrogating them, just was lucky), but suspect she was Jewish.

[Ross]

This guy looks Finnish. Got those "fishy" eyes.



Sub-Uralid



Ukrainian



Another Ukrainian



Another Turk (Northern Caucasus)



Non-Russian, for sure... maybe not Russified, but intermixed



German



Notice RED hair

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Ross

Ukrainian



Another Ukrainian

How would you define the shape of their eyes? In some way it reminds me of "Indid" eyes..

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Ross

Sub-Uralid

Is it her type? She doesn't look Mongoloid though.

German Notice RED hair

You mean they're tainted?

[Ross]

Is it her type? She doesn't look Mongoloid though.

She's East-Baltid = Uralid influenced

You mean they're tainted?

No, I mean that Russians, unlike Germans, usually don't have RED hair

[Agrippa]

Tendency from - always predominant element, no fully typical individuals:

Typical Pontid - but seems to have injuries (eye):


Pontid-North Pontid:


(East)Nordid:


Robust Irano-Nordid (Eastnordid):


Nordid-Eastcromagnid (though eyes slightly "peculiar"):


Nordid-Eastbaltid:


Baltid:


Eastbaltid with possible minor Eastalpinid influence:




The posted Ukrainian examples, especially the 2nd one and the first Turk look somehow malformed...

Leptosomics clearly dominate in this school by the way.

[Exeter]

I prepared a post yesterday. I tried to make some classifications.

1. East-Baltid
2. Not sure
3. Northern Pontid/CEE (similar to Trönder - Hälsinge type)
4. Nordid and Uralid?
5. Baltid (similar look is found in Scandinavia)
6. Northern Pontid/CEE
7. Baltid
8. East-Alpinid
9. Nordid (may pass for Scandinavian)
10. East-Alpinid
11. Baltid
12. Northern Pontid/CEE
13. Northern Pontid/CEE
14. Nordid (Corded?) and slightly East-Baltid
15. Strongly Uralid?
16. East-Alpinid + slightly Northern Pontid/CEE
17. Northern Pontid/CEE + Uralid
18. East-Baltid
19. Northern Pontid/CEE

The number of East-Baltid and Uralid traits is higher than I had expected. But Moscow is a large capital. We do not know their region of origin or ethnical background.

5 Baltids
3 with Uralid traits
9 Northern Pontid/CEE or other Nordid
3 East-Alpinid

Number 6 and 13 show a similar development of Atlantids in NW Europe.

http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu.../IGolutvin.JPG

http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu...JMalyavkin.JPG


http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu.../TGusmanov.JPG

I know he does not look Russian. How do you classify him?


http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu...DDubovskiy.JPG

What is he? He has a very unusual face.


http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu...SKovbasyuk.JPG

CEE? He look gracile.


http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu...d/AMalenko.JPG

I think many would think he is from Western Europe.


http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu...ushkevitch.JPG

Uralid?


http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu...Rabinovich.JPG

She look quite Nordid.


http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu...d/RSadriev.JPG

Uralid?


http://www.nes.ru/russian/people/stu.../ALTarasov.JPG

CEE?

[zemelmete]

This girl looks like she has uralic admixture. Compare with this mansi woman:



Mansi is finno-ugric speaking nation which lives in Ural mountain area.

[Ross]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Pontid-North Pontid:

I'd rather say Cro-Magnon/Pontid. Notice his jaw.

Nordid-Eastbaltid:

Nordid/Cro-Magnon

compare

Baltid:

Baltid in the Russian fashion - Valdaic = Nordid/Baltid intermediary

Baltids proper, thou being of the same FI, have larger cheekbones

Eastbaltid with possible minor Eastalpinid influence:

West-Baltid, but with somewhat lower FI

Leptosomics clearly dominate in this school by the way

As well as on the streets of Moscow

[Agrippa]

Yes, thought about Cromagnid in the Pontid/North Pontid, but Pontid/Nordomediterranid is obviously dominant.



His facial features deviate somewhat, in a non-Eastbaltid, West Baltid direction, but overall this individual can NEVER be called West Baltid he is clearly Eastbaltid predominantely. Would wonder if his height would be above 175 by the way and would suspect that the proportions of his extremities will deviate in a Eastbaltid way too.

Baltids proper, thou being of the same FI, have larger cheekbones

I agree and I noticed the Nordid influence too. Interestingly they are mostly rather extremes, no typical Baltids, most are Nordid, West Baltid or Eastbaltids and mixtures.

[Ross]

Yes, thought about Cromagnid in the Pontid/North Pontid, but Pontid/Nordomediterranid is obviously dominant.

Yes, so Pontid/CM

His facial features deviate somewhat, in a non-Eastbaltid, West Baltid direction, but overall this individual can NEVER be called West Baltid he is clearly Eastbaltid predominantely.

I don't understand what you call EB. If it's Baltid of the Soviet school - he isn't EB = Baltid 'cos his facial breadth is obviously too great. If it's East-Baltid of the Soviet school - he's neither EB 'cos he has no Uralid traits. Increased facial breadth, robustness suggest he's West-Baltid. Compare him with the one you classified as Baltid and I - as Valdaic = Baltid/Nordid

This phenotype is very common in the Baltic States.

[Agrippa]

Profile would be interesting. I agree that his facial features are not that Lappoid influenced, but he is infantilised to a high degree.
In every case not what I would describe as West Baltid, from his cranical character rather opposite - after frontal view...