Does Rammsteins music remind of you Nazi Germany?

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Huerequeque

Hehe. And who do you think Rammstein is marketing themselves to?

To their fans, the crowd of middle class youths who have enough pocket money to be sold merchandising.

The use of uniforms as in folk cold wave movement, the use of a borderline and choking fascist imagery... all that is done on purpose, not only for free provocation or for artistic views. It is an industry, let's not forget that.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Cristoforo

It happens to me too. I think they got a song called "Hitler".

That song pretty much proves the point.

They dont have a song called Hitler, but some degenerate idiot Neo-Nazi German youth who cant even sing decided to make one, honouring just about every prick from Nazi Germany in the name of Rammstein. Its just a voiceover of Sonne, spread through various P2P networks. Really a shame.

What I mean that it proves the point is that some people obviously feel the same Nazi "connotations", be they Neo-Nazi youth or not.

+ YouTube Video

Hear it there.

The original question: yes Rammstein reminds me of Nazi Germany. You should know how prejudicial Danish people are of Germans. "Nazi" is often used as a synonym for German up here, probably something we have from the war time.

[Huerequeque]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

To their fans, the crowd of middle class youths who have enough pocket money to be sold merchandising.

The use of uniforms as in folk cold wave movement, the use of a borderline and choking fascist imagery... all that is done on purpose, not only for free provocation or for artistic views. It is an industry, let's not forget that.

Hmmm... What is it that you think I've forgotten?

If it is an industry, then it has a sizable market. If there's a market then there'sa pre-existing public interest. I was simply stating that Rammstein's use of "fascist" imagery is fetish-based, and a rather unsophisticated one at that. A little too animated and ill-conceived for my tastes. If one wants to call it provocation, it provokes as much as any lamestream act who uses pyrotechnics and theatrical sexual innuendo to attract pubescent boys. If one wants to call whatever they're selling "artistic" than that's their right. But their stage act is more provocation than anything because an artistic statement of fascism (which probably isn't their FULL intention) would probably be more reserved and subtle if it wasn't simply trying to use a taboo, or any taboo, as a marketing tool to get attention.

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

The use of uniforms as in folk cold wave movement, the use of a borderline and choking fascist imagery

Well, at least those musical movements (DarkFolk/ColdWave) are rather underground. But now, it is also with the Tecktonik Killer :



This flyer doesn't shock me, but apparently, it was very controversial.

[Carnyx]

Yes, I'm aware of a fringe of the tektonik scene that has references into vampirism, nazi occultism and SM. If that was not enough, they are satanists as well. And they have sympathy for the ultra radical extrem rightist movements.

Originally Posted by Cirrus

Well, at least those musical movements (DarkFolk/ColdWave) are rather underground.

True. Of a supposedly elistism.
They have the decency to keep all this to themselves at least.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

You should know how prejudicial Danish people are of Germans. "Nazi" is often used as a synonym for German up here, probably something we have from the war time.

Interestingly enough, on another post you seemed to pretend to give the exact opposite impresion.

Just a note.

What I mean that it proves the point is that some people obviously feel the same Nazi "connotations", be they Neo-Nazi youth or not.

Or that you see what you want to see?

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Interestingly enough, on another post you seemed to pretend to give the exact opposite impresion.

Just a note.

Or that you see what you want to see?

Dont really know what you mean by that, but my point was just that some people are prejudicial and stereotypical enough to stereotype all Germans and especially any German metal band as Nazis.

[Numi]

I like Rammstein,but each time I listen to them,their music reminds me of Oomph band.I guess any rather heavy music with lyrics in German is able to remind of German Nazis.The reason for this is German itself,which is quite aggressive and sounds like you were given an order,though I'm fond of this language

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Dont really know what you mean by that, but my point was just that some people are prejudicial and stereotypical enough to stereotype all Germans and especially any German metal band as Nazis.

Well, on another thread you seemed to suggest that you are seeing much people with a growing sympathy to nazism, in Denmark. But here you say that Danes have a prejudice against Germans because they look at them as nazis.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Well, on another thread you seemed to suggest that you are seeing much people with a growing sympathy to nazism, in Denmark. But here you say that Danes have a prejudice against Germans because they look at them as nazis.

Yes, but that was totally unrelated. And as I said, it wasnt a serious tendency, more like a humoristic approach to nationalism in many cases (i.e. saying heil Hitler without meaning it literally, but still using it as a nationalistic expression and similar things). Both things can perfectly be true at the same time though, because whether the prejudice against all Germans as Nazis is negative or not isnt predetermined, but the view surely is stereotypical.