Does Rammsteins music remind of you Nazi Germany?

[Heretik]

Yes, but Leni Riefenstahl made excellent propaganda movies.

[Carnyx]

Only when I'm listening to a funny version of "Sonne". I don't know who made it but it's fun. Otherwise, imo Rammstein doesn't sound more Nazi that Scorpion.

[Carnyx]

Click the link below. As you can see in this pic, Till is behaving like a typical "nazi". Isn't he?... Ho, btw Richard would have married a jewess named Bernstein. Rammstein being an XR band is a total myth.

http://wallpaper.free-computer-wallp...mstein_011.jpg

[Heretik]

Originally Posted by M.Duchemin

Click the link below. As you can see in this pic, Till is behaving like a typical "nazi". Isn't he?... Ho, btw Richard would have married a jewess named Bernstein. Rammstein being an XR band is a total myth.

http://wallpaper.free-computer-wallp...mstein_011.jpg

Now, the topic is "Does Rammstein's music remind you of Nazi Germany" not "Are Rammstein a Nazi band". Read with understanding.

[Carnyx]

Yes, I understood Katera and it seems I answered it in my 1st post. My 2nd was supposed to extend the topic (if possible). What you wrote is interesting, because these two topics are much or less bound : "Does Rammstein's music remind you of Nazi Germany", "Are Rammstein a Nazi band". If it reminds of Nazi Germany it is because it is a (so-called) "nazi" trendy band (fascist imagery).
The fact is that Indus Metal music can't reminds of Nazi Germany, only because this kind of music would have been classified as "entartete musik" by the 3rd Reich itself. It's a fact, not a critical (I like Rammstein). Saying that Rammstein's music reminds of Nazi Germany just because it's a german band is too reducer imo. What do you think about it Katera?

[Heretik]

Nobody said they are looked upon as Nazi's because they are German. Just that they remind me and apparently some other guys and girls here. They don't remind you and OK.

EOD

[KleineFreiheit]

RAMMSTEIN hasn´t to do with NAZI-dung!

They are making great German music, that´s all.

And they use their native language in a genius way, by the way the music is top.

I simply love Rammstein. If they were Nazis I would never listen to them.

[Sturmwaffen]

Originally Posted by Quintos

I some what like Rammstein and some times listen to them but when ever I listen to their songs I start thinking of the third reich Hitler and bunch of gestapo soldiers. LOL does this phenomnan only happen with me?

No. Rammstein reminds me of the degenerate culture being rubbed off on the German people by the American West.

[Susi]

I like Rammstein. And how are they similar to the degenerate "American West"?

[Sturmwaffen]

Originally Posted by Susi

I like Rammstein. And how are they similar to the degenerate "American West"?

They are not similar to it-they are a product of it.

As a musical purist, and one that listens entirely to music written by European composers before the 20th century, I understand I am being extremely biased.

The music Rammstein writes is indeed catchy, but the lyrics are absurd, ridiculous, and could have been written by an autistic ten year old. A friend of mine showed me a video from one of their live performances where the lead singer takes a rubber penis that must have been attached to a hose and creates the illusion of pissing on the audience and into his own mouth. That is in its entirety disgusting and a product of degenerate culture. Art (if you can even call that "art") that came from Germany before the American occupation was an example for all of civilized Europe to follow.

American popular culture has quickly spread into the European mind-frame, and the will to rebel and look like trash is becoming frighteningly popular. This is indeed from American culture.

Of course, the argument "Well it is only music" can be used, but music for me incites different moods and frames of mind. Children (and horribly enough, adults) these days want to be like the stars they see and hear on television and in concerts. These stars spread the message to rebel and dress in ragedy clothing to be "cool," therefore the people do so to be "cool" and like these stars.

This form of culture is a large contributing factor to the downfall of the people of Germany, as well as Europe. What was once the hub of purity, creativity, and discipline is now slowly degrading to trash.

[Ariets]

imo they steal many things from slovenian Laibach

[Sturmwaffen]

As an afternote, what music really reminds me of Nazi Germany is Wagner

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Sturmwaffen

No. Rammstein reminds me of the degenerate culture being rubbed off on the German people by the American West.

Originally Posted by Sturmwaffen

[...]

The music Rammstein writes is indeed catchy, but the lyrics are absurd, ridiculous, and could have been written by an autistic ten year old. A friend of mine showed me a video from one of their live performances where the lead singer takes a rubber penis that must have been attached to a hose and creates the illusion of pissing on the audience and into his own mouth. That is in its entirety disgusting and a product of degenerate culture. Art (if you can even call that "art") that came from Germany before the American occupation was an example for all of civilized Europe to follow.

American popular culture has quickly spread into the European mind-frame, and the will to rebel and look like trash is becoming frighteningly popular. This is indeed from American culture.

[...]

This form of culture is a large contributing factor to the downfall of the people of Germany, as well as Europe. What was once the hub of purity, creativity, and discipline is now slowly degrading to trash.

I think you might be putting too much of the blame on America. Germany seems to be able to produce perverse art with little or no encouragement from across the Atlantic. Look at the infamous cultural scene of Berlin in the Twenties. That may have been caused by imported jazz records and silent films by Charlie Chaplin but I doubt it.

As for Rammstein I find them silly in a very German way. They're funny because they take themselves so seriously.

[Susi]

Originally Posted by Sturmwaffen

As a musical purist, and one that listens entirely to music written by European composers before the 20th century, I understand I am being extremely biased.

You mean that you are too pretentious to listen to anything modern because you think it is ever so "decadent" and "degenerate" like some of the pre-20th century composers were considered at the time when they wrote their music.

The music Rammstein writes is indeed catchy, but the lyrics are absurd, ridiculous, and could have been written by an autistic ten year old.

Well how many autistic ten year olds are there out there? There can't be that many..

Really I like many of the lyrics for their simplicity..

A friend of mine showed me a video from one of their live performances where the lead singer takes a rubber penis that must have been attached to a hose and creates the illusion of pissing on the audience and into his own mouth.

Actually in this song, "Bueck Dich" (sorry but my keyboard does not seem to want to make the accent..), he doesn't pee in his own mouth. He pees on Flake. It's a stage show, what do you expect from the subject matter of the song, anyways? That they'll do some ballet?

That is in its entirety disgusting and a product of degenerate culture. Art (if you can even call that "art") that came from Germany before the American occupation was an example for all of civilized Europe to follow.

You are so pretentious. Yes, it's disgusting, but you have only seen one song out of about 60 or 70 at least... they do many other things than pee in live performances and I believe they don't even do this anymore...

I don't think that the Bueck Dich performance is "art". I think it was just to be vulgar.

Germancentric much? Seriously. There were other countries that had many arts that were good as well.. And what do you mean, though, prior to the American occupation? Have you even looked at all of German culture and arts before this time? At all? All cultures have their decadence.

American popular culture has quickly spread into the European mind-frame, and the will to rebel and look like trash is becoming frighteningly popular. This is indeed from American culture.

You don't really have much of an argument here. Who out of America and Europe have had more revolutions? Where are the centres of fashion? Is it Paris and Milan or is it Buffalo, NY? So which do you think is the true influence on fashions?

Of course, the argument "Well it is only music" can be used, but music for me incites different moods and frames of mind. Children (and horribly enough, adults) these days want to be like the stars they see and hear on television and in concerts.

Music puts one in a mood, I would agree, but to say that children and adults are so stupid that they just want to imitate someone because they like the music is insulting. Just because I like Rammstein doesn't mean I want to dress up like they are. Reading a lot of the news stories, they actually seem pretty normal-- the stage show is just that, a show. If someone can't realise this then they should not be watching it.

These stars spread the message to rebel and dress in ragedy clothing to be "cool," therefore the people do so to be "cool" and like these stars.

Isn't it good to rebel now against a system that has constantly put us down and told us not to be proud of what we are? Or is it better to be sheep, listening to what everyone tells us?

I don't mean to relate this idea to the idea of "rebellious" rock stars and such. I mean just in general, the idea of "rebelling".

This form of culture is a large contributing factor to the downfall of the people of Germany, as well as Europe. What was once the hub of purity, creativity, and discipline is now slowly degrading to trash.

You are very Germancentric, one notices.. I would agree there is a degradation, but someone always talks on it no matter the time period... I am quite sure that Rammstein isn't obscenely popular in Germany as other groups which are probably far more detrimental to German culture and youth than Rammstein will ever be..

Originally Posted by Errigal

I think you might be putting too much of the blame on America. Germany seems to be able to produce perverse art with little or no encouragement from across the Atlantic. Look at the infamous cultural scene of Berlin in the Twenties. That may have been caused by imported jazz records and silent films by Charlie Chaplin but I doubt it.

I did like "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" though...

As for Rammstein I find them silly in a very German way. They're funny because they take themselves so seriously.

I always thought the opposite.

[Sergius]

They suck, just like Nazi Germany sucked, only in a different way.