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"Von Baelz (1883) recognized three principal physical types among the Japanese people: Ainu, fine (Choshu), and coarse (Satsuma) types. He thought that the Ainu had originally lived in the central and northern parts of Japan, and later were driven back further towards the north by invaders. The fine type, which resembled upper class Chinese and Koreans, he thought to have come by way of Korea to southwest Honshu at some unknown period and then spread all over Honshu. And the coarse type he believed to represent a Mongolian race who resembled Malayans, which invaded, also by way of Korea, the west coast of Kyushu and then Honshu after the fine type had arrived."


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V. Eickstedt criticised the simplified system of Baelz who didnt recognise the basic relations in East Asia of later anthropologists. In Baelz Coshu type all leptomorphic variants were included, which majority is Sinid in Japan, whereas for v. Eickstedt et al. the Yakonids/Jakunin type was more specific.

The Satsumids consist out of both Tungid and Palaemongolid forms (basically) which formed specific regional types, more Palaemongolid in the South and Tungid in the West.

Some examples:
Rather Yakonid Nobleman:

Representative Lady, rather Sinid:


The Racial Composition of the Japanese Olympia Team 1936

According to Klenke, W. (Anthropologie japanischer Wettkämpfer, Z. Rassenkunde VIII), quoted in v. Eickstedt, the Olympia team consisted of about:
29 percent Palaemongolid
15 percent Tungid
5 percent Ainuid
44 percent Sinid (pred. Nordsinid)
6 percent Yakonids in the narrower sense

Interestingly the Jakunin-type was called "pseudosemitic" by some anthropologists and some speculated its main source could have been in Manchuria.

Its interesting to note that Sinid is in the average population of Japan for sure not that strong, but for sportsmen a higher and more rangy growth is, at least in many disciplines, clearly more advantageous, so the percentage of the Sinids would be higher because of that. I dont know if Koreans were sorted out neither.

Thread on Skadi with more participants of the Olympic Games 1936:
http://forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=47335

Some examples from the Japanese sportsmen which participated in the Olympic Games 1936:

Pred. Tungid:

Pred. Palaemongolid:

Pred. Ainuid:

Pred. Sinid with the typical Leptomorphic body build of a trained Leptosomic Sinid:
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Any examples of Japanese with some Polynesian input? Maybe it's already present in the pics shown above. If so, which one is it?
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Palaemongolids are closest to Polynesids, though it could be argued that Ainuids aren't too far away too.

Palaemongolid is a wide term, an "umbrella term" so to say for all those Southern Mongolids which have no high Mongolid specialisation (what doesnt mean that they are all generally primitive) and are oftentimes influenced by non-Mongoloid Asian populations. Those from Japan are, like you can see if you have an idea of that region, quite close to those from Korea on the one hand, and to those from Taiwan on the other.

Taiwanese on the other hand, seem to be, at least to me, those Palaemongolids which are already quite close to Polynesids.

Its worth to mention that this connection from Japanese Palaemongolids, to aboriginal Taiwanese and from them to Polynesids seem to be reasonable not only if looking at the physical racial specialisation, but also if looking at the genetic data:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8464488/
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No Y-chromosome link has been found between the early residents of the island of Formosa and the Polynesians, which could suggest early Oceanic societies organized around wives and mothers, said the researchers, who included a team at Estonian Biocentrein Tartu in Estonia.
Or simply that the male part came from another region whats more likely and is a better explanation...

Those Taiwanese have partly very weak Mongoloid features and some considered Taiwanese individuals being rather close to Eastweddoid physical types (modern centre is Cambodia).

The Taiwanese population is pretty diverse:
Quote:

1. First known settlers arrive from South East Asia
2. 17th Century: Migration from Fujian and Guangdong provinces
3. Chang Kai-shek's Mainland Chinese flee Communist advance
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ml/history.stm

Thats not common ancestry for Japanese and Polynesians but rather a common, at least similar influence in the roots of both. The Palaemongolid influence seems to be stronger in the South, the Tungid was historically strongest in the Yayoi areas, especially West Japan and the Ainuid obviously in the North.
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