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Well I decided to post this since it is part of a historic event but not only because of that it is also a subject that can be useful for a debate, the idea o Europe a Nation (pan-europeism) does not fit in with the principles of Stripes Forum which is pro European Identitarians.

I am personally not a pan-europeist since I believe in the ethnic diversity of Europe (I am not referring to the political correct multiracial ethnic diversity ) But still I find pan-european ideas very attractive, there must be European Unity if we are to get anywhere if the national identity’s of all European nations are to be preserved the capitalist system which promotes and desires multiracial societies without any national pride or any national identity must be crushed at European level, thus requiring the unity of all nationalists.

My ideal view of Europe would be of a united European Super state, where the ethnic and national identities of all European nations would be preserved a Confederation of free nations.

In my opinion the ideas of Mosly and others are an example for us to follow obviously we do not intend to make Europe a Nation but if we are to preserve the ethnic and racial heritage of all European peoples we should unite against the common beast which is capitalism. Like Alain de Benoist said he who doesn’t complain about capitalism should not complain about immigration.



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THE parties represented were the Union Movement of Great Britain, the Reichspartei of Germany, Jeune Europe and Movement d'Action Civique of Belgium, and the Movemiento Socialiste Italiano of Italy which organised the Conference in Venice.

The parties represented, accepted and have signed the European Declaration as amended by the Conference, the original declaration having been accepted in advance by all parties present, subject to consideration in detail and amendment by Conference.

The Conference decided as soon as possible to constitute a Bureau de Liaison between the national parties of Europe who have accepted a united policy, Fourth of March I962.

The Conference further resolved that the representatives of the parties should henceforth meet every two months to maintain liaison.
The Conference recommended the parties represented, and all other parties which may adhere to the declaration to change their party names to The National Party of Europe. The British, Belgian and German representatives expressed their intention at once to ask their parties to make this change of name.

The Conference further expressed the hope that the parties represented would as soon as possible go beyond the already accepted principle of common policy and regular liaison, to accept the principle of central direction - This means that equal representatives of the parties will meet regularly at a round table and will direct in principle common action of the parties which will be carried out in detail by the parties in their respective countries.


THE EUROPEAN DECLARATION AS AMENDED AND APPROVED BY CONFERENCE

WE, being Europeans conscious of a tradition which derives from classic Greece and Rome, and of a civilisation which during three thousand years has given thought, beauty, science and leadership to mankind, and feeling for each other the close relationship of a great family whose quarrels in the past have proved the heroism of our peoples but whose division in the future would threaten the life of our continent with the same destruction which extinguished the genius of llellas and led to the triumph of alien values, now declare with pride our European communion of blood and of spirit in the following urgent and practical proposals of our new generation which challenge present policies of division, delay and subservience to the destructive materialism of external powers before which the splendour of our history, the power of our economy, the nobility of our traditions and the inspiration of our ideals must never be surrendered:

That Europe a Nation shall forthwith be made a fact. This means that Europe shall have a common government for purposes of foreign policy, defence, economic policy, finance and scientific development. It does not mean Americanisation by a complete mixture of the European peoples which is neither desirable nor possible.

That European government shall be elected by free vote of the whole people of Europe every four years at elections which all parties may enter. This vote shall be expressed in the election of a parliament which will have power to select the government and at any time to dismiss it by vote of censure carried by a two-thirds majority. Subject to this power of dismissal, government shall have full authority to act during its period of office in order to meet the fast moving events of the new age of science and to carry out the will of the people as expressed by their majority vote.

That national parliaments in each member country of Europe a Nation shall have full power over all social and cultural problems, subject only to the overriding power of European Government in finance and its other defined spheres, in particular the duty of economic leadership.

That the economic leadership of government shall be exercised by means of the wage-price mechanism, first to secure similar conditions of fair competition in similar industries by payment of the same wages, salaries, pensions and fair profits as science increases the means of production for an assured market, thus securing continual equilibrium between production and consumption, eliminating slump and unemployment and progressively raising the standard of life. Capital and credit shall be made available to the underdeveloped regions of Europe from the surplus at present expatriated from our continent.

That intervention by government at the three key points of wages, prices, where monopoly conditions prevail and the long term purchase of agricultural and other primary products alone is necessary to create the third system of a producers' state in conditions of a free society which will be superior both to rule by finance under American capitalism or rule by bureaucracy under communist tyranny. It is at all times our duty in the solidarity of the European community to assist each other to combat the destruction of European life and values from without and from within by the overt and covert attack of communism.

That industries already nationalised will be better conducted by workers' ownership or syndicalism than by state bureaucracy, but the system of the wage-price mechanism will, in full development, make irrelevant the question of the ownership of industry by reason of the decisive economic leadership of elected government, arid will bring such prosperity that workers will have no interest in controversies which belong to the 19th century.

With the creation of Europe a Nation as a third power strong enough to maintain peace, a primary object of the European government will be to secure the immediate and simultaneous withdrawal of both Russian and American forces from the occupied territories and military bases of Europe. Europe must be as strongly armed as America or Russia until mutual disarmament can be secured by the initiative of an European leadership which will have no reason to fear economic problems caused by disarmament as has capitalist America, nor to desire the force of arms for purposes of imperialist aggression as does communist Russia.
The emergence of Europe as a third great power will bring to an end the political and military power of the U.N., because these three great powers will then be able to deal directly and effectively with each other. The peace of the world can best be maintained by direct and continuous contact between these three great powers which represent reality instead of illusion and hypocrisy. The production of nuclear weapons will be confined to these three great powers until mutual disarmament can be secured.

That colonialism shall be brought to an end. A way will be found to maintain or to create in Africa states under government of non-European but African origin amounting to about two-thirds of the continent, and other states under government by peoples of European and Afrikaner origin amounting to about one-third. In non-European territory, any European who chose to remain should stay without vote or political rights. He would be in the same position as any resident in another country, subject to the maintenance of human rights within their own communities, by reciprocal arrangement between European and non-European territories. Conversely, any non-European remaining in European territory would have neither vote nor political rights, subject to the maintenance of the same basic human rights. Multi-racial government breaks down everywhere in face of the non-European demand for one man one vote which they learnt from the West and becomes a squalid swindle of loaded franchises to postpone the day of surrender rather than to solve the problem. Better by far is the clean settlement of clear division. Europe must everywhere decide what it will hold and what it will relinquish. The Europeans in union will have the power of decision. Today they lack only the will. We will hold what is vital to the life of Europe, and we will in all circumstances be true to our fellow-Europeans, particularly where they are now threatened in African territory.

That the space of a fully united Europe including the lands to be liberated by American and Russian withdrawal, the British Dominions and other European overseas territories, and approximately one-third of Africa is a just requirement for tile full life of the Europeans in a producer and consumer system which shall be free of usury and capitalism, of anarchy and communism. Within the wide region of our nation the genius of modern science shall join with the culture of three millennia to attain ever higher forms of European life which shall continue to be the inspiration of mankind.


NATIONAL PARTY OF EUROPE

THE name agreed by Conference to be recommended by the parties represented at the Conference is "National Party of Europe" in English, "Nationale Partei Europas" in German, "Partie Nationale Europeene" in French and "Partitro Nation-ale Europa" in Italian. It will be noted that in Britain and Germany the party will have the same initials N.P.E. and in the other countries will have the same letters. As stated, the representatives of Britain, Germany and Belgium agreed at once to ask their parties to change their names accordingly.
It was stressed that where-ever the name National Party of Europe is used in any language, underneath should be written in smaller letters the words "Progress - Solidarity - Unity". It was agreed that we should never permit ourselves to be misrepresented by our opponents as a policy of reaction. On the contrary our policy is far in advance of any other policy before the European peoples today.
For years we have emphasised in the policy of our movements that we combine the great principles of patriotism and of progress. Our principles are a synthesis at a higher level of the conflict between patriotism and progress in the policies of the old parties. So we are the National Party of Europe with the principles of Progress - Solidarity - Unity.


SYMBOL OF THE MOVEMENT

THE question of symbols for the National Party of Europe was discussed. As symbols are not used in Germany and Italy in the way we use them here, the questions of symbols in those countries was left in abeyance. On the other hand, our symbol, the Flash and Circle is much used by our Movement in Britain, and the Celtic Cross is much used by Jeune Europe and M.A.C. in Belgium. It was finally agreed between us that we should both use simply the Flash. Our badge means the flash of action in the circle of union. We feel now that in the National Party of Europe the long fight to achieve unity has been achieved. We now need the action.

The Celtic Cross can be seen everywhere in Belgium, others elsewhere have imitated it. Put we are most of us not Celts, who are the people living on the periphery, the edges of Europe and Great Britain. We British are mostly of Saxon, Norman and Viking, descent. Most Belgians are of similar origin. On the Continent, also, what we call the Flash is similar to the letter "5", which stands for "Solidarity". So we will both concentrate on the Flash which stands for both "Action" and "Solidarity".
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No, Stirpes does not have an official Identitarian agenda. There is room for Identitarians and sympathy as well as criticism to individual ideas propagated by Identitarians.

You are likely to find more Nationalists than Identitarians here, and people in between those two. Identitarianism in fact leans towards a pan-Europeanist view which is essentially in conflict with the views of Traditional Nationalism.

However, it is possible to find strong points of encounter between the ethnic conception of the Identitarians and the national conception of the Nationalists. After all, the basis for a nation is the ethnic component.

To define a political model for Europe based upon national sovereignties and ethnic preservation is not as easy as it looks. It is surely challenging.
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Thank you for clearing that up.

Yes more or less, to me being an Identitarian and a Nationalists is basically the same, yes they are different but what I mean is that (there are substantial similarities) since like you say the ethnic conception of the Identitarians and the national conception of the Nationalists is linked since after all, the basis for a nation is the ethnic component.

What I meant in my original post was that the pan-european view of Mosley is quite in contrast with the general view of people here whether their Nationalists or Identitarians, none want the disappearance of all European nations and Identitis to create a single ethnic European Nation.

More over I thought that this article of "Europe a Nation" could serve as an introduction to a healthy and lengthy debate, not because of its pan-european view but because of the useful and necessary unity between all European Nationalists if we are to get anywhere some day.
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Yes more or less, to me being an Identitarian and a Nationalists is basically the same
Yet there are substantial differences.

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yes they are different but what I mean is that (there are substantial similarities) since like you say the ethnic conception of the Identitarians and the national conception of the Nationalists is linked since after all, the basis for a nation is the ethnic component.
I am a bit skeptical on how substantial those similarities are, or if the differences are not more substantial than the similarities.

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What I meant in my original post was that the pan-european view of Mosley is quite in contrast with the general view of people here whether their Nationalists or Identitarians, none want the disappearance of all European nations and Identitis to create a single ethnic European Nation.
Yes, he was weird.

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More over I thought that this article of "Europe a Nation" could serve as an introduction to a healthy and lengthy debate, not because of its pan-european view but because of the useful and necessary unity between all European Nationalists if we are to get anywhere some day.
I agree in the need for it. Unfortunately there are too many agendas, both open and hidden, for this to be viable.

Regression is a possibility.
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Yes, he was weird.
Nah, I don't think he was weird. Ok maybe we don't agree with his world or european view but that's not to say that it is weird.
That global concept of Europe wich he defended was based on the fact that at one poit or another most European nations have shared cultural patrons.
As in the culture expanded through Europe by the romans.

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I agree in the need for it. Unfortunately there are too many agendas, both open and hidden, for this to be viable.
You are right on that but as the saying goes divided we fall united we stand.
If that unity isn't established things are going to look grey. Any ways I don't think that this unity will ever be established and when it comes it will be to little to late.
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That global concept of Europe wich he defended was based on the fact that at one poit or another most European nations have shared cultural patrons.
So have colonies with their metropolis.

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As in the culture expanded through Europe by the romans.
Which, by the way, it stops at the Rhine.

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You are right on that but as the saying goes divided we fall united we stand.
We are already divided by more than you would like to imagine. What is important is that all parts realize of it, and of the reasons why this is so.

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If that unity isn't established things are going to look grey. Any ways I don't think that this unity will ever be established and when it comes it will be to little to late.
It is important that people realize because that way they will move in the right direction and not waste time and resources with such small margins of likelihood.

I agree on the need for unity and I know too that the day that people realize it will be too late. It is, in fact, late for some already. And things do not happen overnight.

However, there are also reasons for the opposite. Namely, negative influences.
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Well I decided to post this since it is part of a historic event but not only because of that it is also a subject that can be useful for a debate, the idea o Europe a Nation (pan-europeism) does not fit in with the principles of Stripes Forum which is pro European Identitarians.

I am personally not a pan-europeist since I believe in the ethnic diversity of Europe (I am not referring to the political correct multiracial ethnic diversity ) But still I find pan-european ideas very attractive, there must be European Unity if we are to get anywhere if the national identity’s of all European nations are to be preserved the capitalist system which promotes and desires multiracial societies without any national pride or any national identity must be crushed at European level, thus requiring the unity of all nationalists.

My ideal view of Europe would be of a united European Super state, where the ethnic and national identities of all European nations would be preserved a Confederation of free nations.

In my opinion the ideas of Mosly and others are an example for us to follow obviously we do not intend to make Europe a Nation but if we are to preserve the ethnic and racial heritage of all European peoples we should unite against the common beast which is capitalism. Like Alain de Benoist said he who doesn’t complain about capitalism should not complain about immigration.





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Nice news but they should update a bit their graphic design or they will likely attract the usual little crow of (brave) diehards and nothing more Creating an european nationalism should not be based on recooking old recipes that common people have been taught to despise for sixty years. They lack the minimal required political ingenuity to undertake such task if the most they can do is a federation of the parties that once formed the Axis.
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Nice news but they should update a bit their graphic design or they will likely attract the usual little crow of (brave) diehards and nothing more Creating an european nationalism should not be based on recooking old recipes that common people have been taught to despise for sixty years. They lack the minimal required political ingenuity to undertake such task if the most they can do is a federation of the parties that once formed the Axis.
Well we have to take into account that this was a project established in the 1960s
Any way this is just a historical article. But another issue is also the fact that if you are a nationalist now a days they will just call you a "nazi" even if your not as a way to discredit you.
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Well we have to take into account that this was a project established in the 1960s
Any way this is just a historical article. But another issue is also the fact that if you are a nationalist now a days they will just call you a "nazi" even if your not as a way to discredit you.
I thought it was a recent initiative. There are many, many people who are nationalist deep into their harts, but they have been taught to feel ashamed of it by years of indoctrination. So proposing them Adolf Hitler as a political role model is little farfetched, beside being politically questionable. A more moderate kind of nationalism could be understood and embraced by most people: to differentiate from other ethnicities and preserve national identity it is sufficient to send home non-europeans, maybe also through a liberation war, much as colonized non europeans have made with european settlers in just decolonized nations. To invoke again the spirits of defunct nationalist politicians who applied radical stalinist measures like lagers (a copycat of stalinist gulags, BTW) is a shoot in our foot.

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