Italy in world war 2 website

[Strengthandhonour]

For those who think Italian where cowards in world war 2..
www.comandosupremo.com

[United Faith]

From what I've read elsewhere Italy's problem was not enough propaganda. All the Australian against Italian battles I've read about the Italians didn't even care about fighting.

[Strengthandhonour]

I don't think that was the problem.
As there was plenty. Similar to the one used by the third reich. The people didn't care because their heart wasn't behind the war. Mussolini lost the Itaian people when he threw them into world war II.

[United Faith]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

I don't think that was the problem.
As there was plenty. Similar to the one used by the third reich. The people didn't care because their heart wasn't behind the war. Mussolini lost the Itaian people when he threw them into world war II.

Well more (or better) propaganda can get them behind a war; however, what I meant was what you have now stated, I just thought the lack of support might have been a result of bad propaganda.

[Strengthandhonour]

Here is a very fine example of the posters that were placed all over Italy

http://forum.stirpes.net/italo-dalma...-mondiale.html

at times, they seem more convincing and inspirational than the German ones. But that might be just me by being an Italian.

[agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

For those who think Italian where cowards in world war 2..
Comando Supremo: Italy at War

Hmmm.....the battle with Greece was not as easy as this web site says so.

[M.R.]

I had a look at the website, although didn't read anything, it's obvious it's some kind of propaganda site. S&H, I considered you as an intelligent guy, I don't think you need to go on this level.

Not only were Italians cowards in ww2, but also in ww1 (and between the wars). Sad but true. This period of your history is shameful, but every nation has such moments, however I don't really see a point in brining this up now.

[Strengthandhonour]

If you can start posting examples, I will be happy to agree with you and discuss this topic. But like you said, you didn't even bother to read the actual information on the website.
The website is not a propaganda site, check the message board and the mission statement. The information on the website comes from Italian(mostly but not limited) history students and professors. I don't see what is so propaganda about the website when all it states are the order of command, different missions, divisions, damage done to certain nations,etc.
Regarding the Italian army in world war II, I have complied a lot of information of this over the years, and it's one of the main reasons I am a history student right now. My grandfather and all 4 of his brothers were involved in the war and their stories always caught my curiosity.
Like I have stated in the past, the Italian people cannot be blamed for the political errors of our politicians. The Italian people believed that this wasn't their war. Mussolini became hated when he threw Italy into world war II and things began to see nasty. A lot of soldiers didn't even care, they just wanted to go home. No one wanted a war.How were Italians supposed to fight at the eastern front when they were sent there wearing sandals and not even appropriate clothing?
That is just one flaw however. There is many others but there is also highlights. Like the fact that Erwin Rommel's North African campaign was carried out largely by Italian troops. Let's also not forget the famous quote by Erwin Rommel after the battle of El Alamein:
"The german soldier has shocked the World: the italian soldier has shocked the german soldier."

[agamemnon]

I dont think Italians were cowards. As already said here, they just did not want to take part at ww2 i guess, and thats one of the factors of they real hard time they had invading Greece. They would have lost if it werent the Germans.

[Strengthandhonour]

I agree with you.
Plus, a lot of the Italians were confused about the invasion of Greece. For example, my grandfather and some men from the era I have interviewed told me that during this time, Greece was studied a lot in school. The Greeks were seen as the racial and spiritual counterparts of the ancient Romans. It left a lot of Italians confused as to why we should invade this counterparts of ours?

[Veritas Aequitas]

Good site, and great posters S & H. Got anymore links to any other sites?

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

I agree with you.
Plus, a lot of the Italians were confused about the invasion of Greece. For example, my grandfather and some men from the era I have interviewed told me that during this time, Greece was studied a lot in school. The Greeks were seen as the racial and spiritual counterparts of the ancient Romans. It left a lot of Italians confused as to why we should invade this counterparts of ours?

"Stessa faccia, stessa razza" or "Ilia fatsa, ilia ratsa" or "same face, same race". My father says he remembers his aunt saying the same thing about going to war against the Germans; that they were our cousins and it made no sense.

[Truth-Finder]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

The people didn't care because their heart wasn't behind the war

It is what I always thought.
They had no motivation because it was not their war, they just didn't want.
Just compare the issues of the conquests of Tripolitania or Ethiopia: these campaigns were led with a masterfull hand just because the motivation was greater (a side comentary ; it was during the Ethiopia campaign that italians actually invented the refrigerated container in order to ship meat supplies to their troops fighting in East Africa)

I think Mussolini started this war just to please Hitler.

Originally Posted by agamemnon

Hmmm.....the battle with Greece was not as easy as this web site says so.

The battle of Greece was easy for no one and even the Hitler admited it in a speech made at the Reichstag in 1941:
"Historical justice obliges me to state that of the enemies who took up positions against us, the Greek soldier particularly fought with the highest courage. He capitulated only when further resistance had become impossible and useless." He also also ordered the release, and repatriation of all Greek prisoners of war after diarming them, "because of their gallant bearing."

[orieleye]

If Mussolini had done what Franco did, he might have ruled into the 70s too.

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Errigal

"Stessa faccia, stessa razza" or "Ilia fatsa, ilia ratsa" or "same face, same race".

Isn't it a phrase from the movie Mediterraneo, which after the movie was realeased became vastly popular, more so in Greece than in Italy? Una fazza (faccia), una razza.

[agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Marulus

Isn't it a phrase from the movie Mediterraneo, which after the movie was realeased became vastly popular, more so in Greece than in Italy? Una fazza (faccia), una razza.

Unna fazza ,una razza was very popular a long long time before the movie.
I thing we have alot in common especialy with southern Italians.

[Marulus]