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Why do you think the Soviet Union collapsed ? I would say the Russian were better compared to the American especially in all aspects of the mlitaries including KGB, could the collapsed has some theological explaination because Russian are God-less and they're are agnostics and atheist ?
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Why do you think the Soviet Union collapsed ?

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The Soviet Collapse

The Soviet Union was not militarily superior to the USA, the competition and rivalry with the so-called west overstretched and ruined the USSR economically.
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Why do you think the Soviet Union collapsed ? I would say the Russian were better compared to the American especially in all aspects of the mlitaries including KGB, could the collapsed has some theological explaination because Russian are God-less and they're are agnostics and atheist ?
URSS collpased because communism didn't work economically, while it had to compete militarily with the USA.

This completes what Aptragangr has said.
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You don't understand. It's a tactic.

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@Sifjar, if you can think of a number of options why the Soviet Union fell, let me know and I can repost the poll.
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Comunism is designed for perfect beings.We ,the humans, have not evolved yet to the point that we can live in comunism.Every one of us is firstly concerned of his own good and then for the good of the whole society.That's why the state owned economy of thhe soviet union failed and the market economy of the west countries prospered.
I don't think that the collapse of the soviet union has any theological explanation.
Militarily they have always matched the USA. Even now they have the same firepower.
The fact,that the communism was executed like dictatorship and the people luck some of their freedoms, could be shown like a secondary reason for the collapse.But still the main reason is the bad economy.

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Communism is not for perfect humans, but it's perfect for the humans that does not exist and can't exist. I would not call them "perfect".
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You have a point with cooperation being more effective. Watch Richard Dawkins - Nice Guys Finish First.avi

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Comunism is designed for perfect beings.We ,the humans, have not evolved yet to the point that we can live in comunism.Every one of us is firstly concerned of his own good and then for the good of the whole society.That's why the state owned economy of thhe soviet union failed and the market economy of the west countries prospered.
I don't think that the collapse of the soviet union has any theological explanation.
Militarily they have always matched the USA. Even now they have the same firepower.
The fact,that the communism was executed like dictatorship and the people luck some of his freedoms, could be shown like a secondary reason for the collapse.But still the main reason is the bad economy.
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You don't understand. It's a tactic.

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@Sifjar, if you can think of a number of options why the Soviet Union fell, let me know and I can repost the poll.

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Why do you make the assumption religious societies are superior to Atheist or Agnostic ones?

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The Soviet Collapse

The Soviet Union was not militarily superior to the USA, the competition and rivalry with the so-called west overstretched and ruined the USSR economically.
You want to use your brain before geting into a post which YOU HAVE no idea about, didn't you read what I wrote? Beside I use polls in all my post don't get stuck up, beside I'm rather sure your knowledge is limited in this area, and Don't make a thread into jokes when some of you couldn't understand historical context
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Why do you make the assumption religious societies are superior to Atheist or Agnostic ones?
I didn't it's just a question, Well if you look from the historical view Communist and their ideologists doesn't allows religions because Marxist theories say religion makes the society to act passive, and then if you relates to the liberal society when Americans won the war against Russian. Why did they won the war? These are the questions I put up. I didn't know some of the people here has very limited view on how knowledge should BE EXPRESSED. Well there's many ways to answer the questions no-one should restricted in knowledge. It's like a comunist forum LOL, no that no this, wonder what sort of topics is allowed, perhaps some gossips about Women and Feminist, it can be juicy and hot , doesn't requires the brain to think, Thinking is a hard work.
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Communism is not for perfect humans, but it's perfect for the humans that does not exist and can't exist. I would not call them "perfect".
There is no perfect soceity of cos I think the USSR didn't have particular significant such as external influnce, it might economical reason but I doubt it was the main reason, because on the social level it already weekned on its own.
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You want to use your brain before geting into a post which YOU HAVE no idea about, didn't you read what I wrote?
What's with switching on your brain and read what I wrote?
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Beside I use polls in all my post don't get stuck up, beside I'm rather sure your knowledge is limited in this area, and Don't make a thread into jokes when some of you couldn't understand historical context
My knowledge might be limited, but wild ranting instead of joining a decent debate is a sign of cluelessness. I did not make a joke, maybe you just misunderstood the emoticon I posted in response to your confusing poll.
However, the Communists replaced spirituality with ideology, Marxism/Maoism even has signs of idol-worshipping. In the GDR, communion and similar festivities were not supported by the government (but they were not totally outlawed), but the gov. organized Jugenweihe, a ceremony in which teenagers were given adult social status.
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What sort of tactic?
You've probably never heared of sarcasm. So it would be futile to tell you.
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Read more historical documents not just gossip forum lol
Now Ms. Lol, if you notice through the forums, I have provided loads of historical excerpts and documents, while you still have to reproduce one.
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I wonder if you have an idea of what you wrote.
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Sifjar, it is you who made a joke out of your thread in the first place. Try to understand the senselessness in this:
Q.: Why do you think that the Soviet Union collapsed?
A.: Yes (or No)
There is something not quite right there, can you spot it?
A different thing would have been if you written it different:
Q.: Do you think that the Soviet Union collapsed?
A.: Yes (or No)
Or if you had provided a set of options to the original question, that made sense. E.g.:
Q.: Why do you think that the Soviet Union collapsed?
A1.: Due to internal factors (discuss)
A2.: Due to external factors (id.)
A3.: Both (id.)
A4.: Other (please, explain)
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Soviet people became more and more cynical about the propaganda of government-controlled media. It was common to hear the Russian people say that you could find truth anywhere except in Pravda and the news anywhere except in Izvestia. As any other commie state Soviet Union regime also collapsed becouse they couldnt sold propaganda forever.
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