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LEST WE FORGET Worst Sea Disaster of All Time Everyone has heard of the Titanic, in which 1,500 souls went down to a watery grave in the north Atlantic in 1912. Most have heard about the Lusitania, the converted World War I passenger liner carrying munitions for Allied cause, which was hit and sunk by an enemy submarine in 1915, with the loss of 1,200 lives. Others have heard of the sinkings of the Empress of Ireland (1,100 dead), the Athenia (112), and the Andrea Doria (51). But how many have ever heard of the Wilhelm Gustloff,* a hospital ship carrying wounded German soldiers and refugees in the closing days of World War II, which was torpedoed and sunk without warning on January 30, 1945, by a submarine in the service of America's Communist ally, the Soviet Union? In that disaster, as many as 9,000** persons lost their lives, nearly six (6) times as many as perished aboard the Titanic! Indeed, more lives were lost on this one single ship than on the Titanic, the Lusitania, the Athenia, the Andrea Doria and the Empress of Ireland combined (less than 4,000)! The Gustloff was not the only vessel, however, to earn the dubious distinction of being a worse-than-the-Titanic sea disaster. Second and third place go to two other German hospital ships, the Goya and the General Steuben, respectively. A companion ship to the Wilhelm Gustloff, the Goya, with fewer passengers on board—"a mere" 6,000 to 7,000!—was sunk by still another Soviet sub on April 16, 1945. On February 10, 1945, the other vessel, the Steuben—named after the German general who helped America gain its independence—was attacked by the same submarine which earlier sank the Gustloff, with the loss of 5,200 women, children and wounded men. In total, some 20,000 perished in these never-punished war crimes. But some of those who committed these horrendous atrocities were later awarded medals by the victorious Allies of World War II. * The Wilhelm Gustloff was launched as a cruise ship for German workers and their families under the Kraft durch Freude ("Strength Through Joy") program in 1937. Named for the famous Swiss National Socialist hero and martyr, it was converted to use as a hospital ship during the Second World War. ** National Geographic Magazine, February 2005 IN REMEMBRANCE NEW ORDER Dept E PO Box 270486 Milwaukee WI 53227 http://www.theneworder.org |
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Even if Günther Grass can be criticise for other things, I think that he is basically right here, except in that it was a war crime. But it was not the only war crime. The Wilhelm Gustloff, a German ship transporting refugees, was sunk by a Soviet submarine in 1945 and 9,343 men, women and children lost their lifes; the Goya, another German ship transporting refugees, was sunk also in 1945 and over 6,000 are reported lost; and so was the German ship Steuben sunk in 1945 by Soviet submarines, with around 3,600 wounded soldiers and refugees. However, it would be unfair not to mention that in 1941 the Soviet hospital ship Armenia was sunk by a German torpedo causing the loss of 7,000 lifes. And in 1940, the British ship Lancastria transporting an unknown number of refugees and soldiers (estimates are between 4,000 and 9,000, well in excess of the 2,200 official capacity of the ship), was sunk by German planes leaving less than 2,500 survivors. And so on..
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The sub captain was sent to the gulag after the war for some trumped up charge, but more likely for demanding the Hero of the Soviet Union award. He got it posthumously in the 1990s. Lots of historical detail which rings true in Crabwalk, although it's a work of fiction. Things like the children floating upside down in their lifejackets. No one knew much about this tragedy in either part of Germany until the 1990s. |
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Why should somebody marvel if Soviets committed war crimes ?
Hardly a surprise.
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