Germany’s Foreign Minister Calls for a Common European Army

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Višeslav

It is good that Belarus has an anti-EU leadership.

Are the Irish, communists and pitiful Russian pets, because they voted 'No' on the Lisbon Treaty?



You are not an idiot and a fool because you are anti-Russian. You are an idiot and a fool because you put your hatred for Russia above the interests of your people and Europe. You also support Capitalism, immigration, and the EU.

Something right-something wrong.
You are right i support capitalism (i don't really know how you found that out,but it's true) and the EU.

You aren't right i support imigration,exept solely for educational and business purposes.I also don't put hatred to Russia above the interests of Europe,simply because i don't hate Russia or the russians.I hate the corrupted politicians and commies the russian nation has produced in the past and is producing at the moment.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

You are right i support capitalism (i don't really know how you found that out,but it's true) and the EU.

You aren't right i support imigration,exept solely for educational and business purposes.I also don't put hatred to Russia above the interests of Europe,simply because i don't hate Russia or the russians.I hate the corrupted politicians and commies the russian nation has produced in the past and is producing at the moment.

One must really wonder why you are a member of Stirpes?

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Marulus

You are completely wrong here. It was so before, but not any more. Lukashenko is trying to pursue an independent (up to certain extent) policy and occasionally gets into conflıct wıth Putin. He is not a Russian puppet, but he did not become anti-Russian either. It is at least how a distinguished member of this forum, the Belarussian nationalist Whiteruthenian explained the situation. Unfortunately, Whiteruthenian is not here to refute these absurd claims. By the way, he is no Lukashist at all, but simply recognizes certain merits of Lukashenko ın the struggle to preserve national sovereignity.

То be a nationalist and struggle for national sovereignity first you need a nation.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

То be a nationalist and struggle for national sovereignity first you need a nation.

How do they not have a nation?

Belarusians are an East Slavicethnic group who populate the majority of the Republic of Belarus and form minorities in neighboring Poland (especially in the former Bialystok province), Russia, Lithuania and Ukraine.

The Belarusians are an ethnic group, and a nation.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Višeslav

One must really wonder why you are a member of Stirpes?

Because i love the continent of Europe and all of it's nations and cultures (exept for the muslim ones).I put the interests of this continent and the whole european civilization on the firs place.I am ready to fight for this civilization,which is not only one nation or culture,but represents all cultures of the contitent and it's religion - christianity.This makes me european nationalist and i believe this is european nationalist forum,for people with the charakteristiks i mentioned above.If you have another explanation i will leave the forum.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Because i love the continent of Europe and all of it's nations and cultures (exept for the muslim ones).I put the interests of this continent and the whole european civilization on the firs place.I am ready to fight for this civilization,which is not only one nation or culture,but represents all cultures of the contitent and it's religion - christianity.This makes me european nationalist and i believe this is european nationalist forum,for people with the charakteristiks i mentioned above.If you have another explanation i will leave the forum.

Then how can you support the European Union and the United States of America, entities which are anti-European.

You cannot be a European Nationalist and support such artificial constructs.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Višeslav

Then how can you support the European Union and the United States of America, entities which are anti-European.

You cannot be a European Nationalist and support such artificial constructs.

Well,this is you opinion.I support them because i don't think they are anti-Eruopean.Especially the EU i believe is the best thing that happened to european nations after christianity (both aim to unite europeans in a way).

YouTube - European Forces

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Well,this is you opinion.I support them because i don't think they are anti-Eruopean.Especially the EU i believe is the best thing that happened to european nations after christianity (both aim to unite europeans in a way).

YouTube - European Forces

Christianity was there to unite Europe yes, but not at the expense of the European nations, cultures and heritages, which the EU attempts to blur in their artificial superstate.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

Belarus has the most anti-EU leadership, because the Belarusian leader is a communist and a pitiful russian bed-pen.

The pro-Russian nature and the degree to Lukashenko is pro-Russian is gorslly exagerrated. The way you and others like you talk about him you'd think he would do what Russia wants. Yet he has resisted attempts by Putin to incorporate Belarus into Russia.

Not only that but the fact that on at least two occasions Russia has cut gas and oil deposits to his country hardly shows that he is a puppet to the degree you claim.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

The pro-Russian nature and the degree to Lukashenko is pro-Russian is gorslly exagerrated. The way you and others like you talk about him you'd think he would do what Russia wants. Yet he has resisted attempts by Putin to incorporate Belarus into Russia.

Not only that but the fact that on at least two occasions Russia has cut gas and oil deposits to his country hardly shows that he is a puppet to the degree you claim.

You are right he is not a pupet of Putin,but he was a pupet of the communists in Russia,because it is what he himself represents.Now there are no more true communists in RUssia,just ex-communists - new capitalists so he is no longer their pupet.This doesn't change the fact he is a commie dictator,who should be hanged for this.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

When i look for information about countries like Belarus i try to avoid official statistics,because in a dictatorship like Belarus an oficial statistics can never be true

The same goes for Western "democratic" dictatorships.

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

То be a nationalist and struggle for national sovereignity first you need a nation.

And you are to tell them that they are not a nation? If yes, then back this up with arguments.

Whiteruthenian, where are you?

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Now there are no more true communists in RUssia,just ex-communists - new capitalists

So what's wriong with that, from your point of view? You just said you supported Capitalism.

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

This doesn't change the fact he is a commie dictator,who should be hanged for this.

Yeah, Wladyslaw Warnenczyk: tough guy, a true cyber-warrior.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Something right-something wrong.
You are right i support capitalism (i don't really know how you found that out,but it's true) and the EU.

You aren't right i support immigration, except solely for educational and business purposes.I also don't put hatred to Russia above the interests of Europe,simply because i don't hate Russia or the russians.I hate the corrupted politicians and commies the russian nation has produced in the past and is producing at the moment.

What you call immigration isn't actually immigration but simple business and cultural exchange.

For the rest I feel all the ideas you express are quite good, only I do not understand why you call Russians the Soviet politicians.

For many decades most of the Soviet ruling classes were mostly non Russian: there were entire cliques of Jews and Georgians until Stalin's death....

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Shhhh!You will be called an idiot,fool and junkie if you say anything against holy Russian,its colony Belarus or the commies...

Living under Bruxelles and being forbidden to say a word, not least to form a party, against non European immigration is to live as colonized slaves as well.

Look at what the English, the Swedes, the Spaniards, the Dutch, the Germans, the French and even us are force fed daily on.

Entire african hordes settle in our towns and we must keep silent, at most we are allowed to speak against illegals. Touching legal immigration is a big risk.

Lies, lies and soft gagging, when it is not prison and fines for discrimination and "hate speech".

[Marcus Marulus]

Miliband backs strong EU military force

Patrick Wintour, political editor
The Guardian,
Wednesday July 2, 2008

Europe must develop its military capabilities along the lines proposed by the EU's French presidency if it is not always to wait for America and Nato to be ready to intervene, David Miliband, the foreign secretary, will say today.

In a speech reflecting on Ireland's no vote in last month's referendum on the Lisbon treaty, he will concede that the "EU lacks a clear mission" and the spreading hostility towards it reflects exasperation with seven years of institutional debate.

But in a controversial passage cleared by Downing Street, Miliband will take on the eurosceptics over defence saying he supports the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy's, proposals on EU defence. Sarkozy has argued for a build-up in European military capability, including EU troops going into conflict zones.

Miliband will say: "What strikes me about the French priorities for their presidency is how closely they tie with our own ambitions for the EU, as set out in our global Europe policy statement last autumn whether on energy and climate change, migration, near neighbourhood policy and the next steps on European defence."

He will also praise the French for saying they are willing to reintegrate into Nato's command structure, and will insist that a stronger European defence policy does not mean Nato stops being the cornerstone of European defence.

But he will add: "As the Balkans wars in the 1990s demonstrated, unless Europe can develop its own capabilities, it will be consigned always to wait impotently until the US and Nato are ready and able to intervene.
"That means a genuine role for the EU in conflict prevention and crisis management whether it is providing the civilian experts - the police trainers, judges, civil servants and aid workers - that are needed alongside the military, or deploying soldiers from national armies in roles where Nato is not engaged." He will highlight the role of EU troops in training Palestinian police in the West Bank, adding "the countries of Europe need to be better at using their hard power."

It is estimated there are 2 million soldiers in the 27 EU countries, and yet only 100,000 of them are equipped to fight.

Miliband will point out that Victoria Nuland, the US ambassador to Nato, welcomed a stronger European defence policy in a speech in February, reversing a decade of American fears that strong European defence would undermine Nato. The US position has been changed by Sarkozy's election because he has agreed to reintegrate France into Nato's command structure as well as send more French troops to Nato's operation in Afghanistan.

Diplomatic sources said they have not yet seen the full details of the French proposals on European defence, and there may yet be tensions. Britain has been nervous of French enthusiasm for a command for EU operations outside Nato.

In the speech, hosted by Progress magazine, Miliband will argue the Irish rejection of the Lisbon treaty has shaken the confidence of EU leaders. He will say the Irish result "cannot be dismissed out of hand and has a message for us. We will not get Europe right if we offer a tin ear to the people."

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[Whiteruthenian]

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