Basque faces, anthropologic plates, description

[Linus]

Originally Posted by kantabr

Those are several basque politicians (and a football player).

I find their phenotipe very "typical-basque" (specially the chin)

Originally Posted by oubit

Julen Guerrero




Joseba Etxeberria




Mikel Lasa




Bixente Lizarazu





Gaizka Mendieta




Andoni Zubizarreta

Originally Posted by Visigodo

You are right Fantom in fact Günther said: “I am inclined to believe that a Hither Asiatic advance brought the Bask language, too, from Hither Asia into Spain. Bask shows kinship with the Caucasian (Alarodic) tongues, which were originally peculiar to the Hither Asiatic race, and are still spoken by many peoples and tribes predominantly of this race. Hither Asiatic blood would seem still to show itself among the predominantly Mediterranean Basks”.



Misael Bañuelos, one Spanish Doctor who has written a book about the racial composition of the spanish people believed that in the bask people there is a strong Hither Asiatic (Armenoid admixture).



But Coon for exemple about the Basques said:



(1) the Basques are basically 'Mediterranean (in the wider sense) racially, with some brachycephalic accretion.
(2) This accretion is for the most part Dinaric and only to a minor extent directly Alpine. Morphologically the Basque crania show many resemblances to those of Serbo?Croats and of some South Germans. Collignon's comparison between French Basques and the southwestern French makes this distinction clear.
(3) The Basques, through inbreeding, ethnic solidarity, and the possession of a recognized national ideal type, have developed a character istic physiognomy, the essential features of which are nasal prominence and a narrowness of the median sagittal facial segment, and of the mandible.

Collignon believed, and Montandon follows him, that the French Basques are freer from modern mixture than are the Spanish Basques. This may perhaps be true, since neither the round?headed tendency of the French Basques nor their relatively high incidence of blondism can be wholly explained as local acquisitions. The Basques, as a whole, represent an ancient and subsequently specialized mixture of Mediterraneans and Atlanto?Mediterraneans with partially blond Dinarics, and it is just as possible that different Basque sub?groups differed originally in amount of Dinaric blood as that the modern Spanish Basques have been altered through Spanish mixture.

Both the Atlanto?Mediterranean and Dinaric elements mentioned were present as early as the Copper Age in North Central Spain, where they were partially identified with the early Bell Beaker culture. The Keltic Iron Age racial type of Britain, which the living Spanish Basques so closely? resemble, was produced originally in southern Germany from a combination of Nordics with Bell Beaker or other Dinarics, and imported into England where Mediterranean and Atlanto?Mediterranean elements, as well as some Bronze Age Dinaric factors, were already present. The mixture of similar ingredients in different places produces similar results. Seen in the light of modern physical anthropology, the Basques are still interesting, and perhaps romantic, but no longer mysterious.





So I am no sure finally if in the Bask racial composition there is a Dinaroid or Armenoid component.



I give some pictures of Basques with some Dinaric or Armonid resemblance. Xavier Arzallus (National Bask Party), Jon Idigoras ( From Herri Batasuna), Miguel de Unamuno and Telesforo de Aranzadi.

Originally Posted by Visigodo

Regarding what you said Agrippa is quite true, there is a lot of opinions.

Nowadays in Spain and because political questions interfere it is even more difficult to resolve the anthropological bask probleme. One side (Bask nationalists) and because some skull associated to the final Magdalenian from Guipuzcoa, in the cave of Urtiaga has wanted to see it as precursor of the Pirenaic-Bask race, that skull has clearly some cromagnon features. So, there are specialists in biological anthropology that defend the specific character of Bask populations, but that can be due to the influence of the Bask nationalist ideology, in any case it is not necessary to agree with certain Bask nationalists with very pure scientific arguments that affirm that the pure “Basque has the RH Negative “ or has the "pure mesocephalic skull". The human populations have the features distributed by frequencies, there has always been in all the western Europe the Rh Negative, and not all the inhabitants of this area have the same head or the same type of face and nose.


But it is true that there is some differences if we compare the population from Navarre with the population from the Mediteranean coast at neolitic times, in the coast we can find the Spanish variety of the gracile-mediterranean type, (ibero-insular) together with the robust Mediterranean type (atlanto-mediterranean), being scarce the racial elements remaining previous to the neolithic. The average of height in the Mediterranean cost was for the gracile-mediterranan (1,65 meters) and the skull dolicocephalic , the atlanto-mediterranean was taller and robust, but also dolicocephalic, although nowadays it has increased the stature considerably in the Mediterranean area (From 1,65 to1,72-1,74 meters). In the other side we know that some Bask skulls from the North of Navarre were braquicephalic in some places and mesocephalic in others, only we can find dolicocephalic skulls in the South and Southeast of Navarre, and in the South of Alava. The Basque previously was quite tall (1,70 meters), although nowadays that difference between the Bask (1,75-1,76 meters) population and the Spanish one has shortened a lot but they are characterized by diverse aspects that cannot be appreciated by anthropological remains. The most typical characteristic of the racial Bask type are:



The skulls of the Basks are mesocephalic an platycephalic, and they have a smaller relative height compare with the mediterranean skull (mediterranean skul is hipsycephalic), they have lateral temples bulky or swollen (element that reduce the cephalic index) on the contrary the mediterranean ones the temples are sunken or depressed. The base of the skull, mainly the border previous of the skull hole, appears as put toward inside in the bask type, what creates that the heads looks in a shorter position; the facial angle is very open and has not very marked cheekbones; the nose is prominent, narrow and the jaw narrow and with triangular form (V).

For later studies it can be supposed to this Bask type has a high index of aquiline noses (At least 75%), bad denture, brown hair, eyes rather clear (blue, green and light brown eyes are normal), and clear complexion. The Bask also are famous because they have quite strong complexion.
Another point that Bask nationalists defend is that the Bask racial type descend purely from the local cromagnon race developed in his territory. Well, there is some similarities but also a lot of differences (perhaps we can see in another tread). Anyway the differences are appreciable, above the similarities, what allows affirming that the cromagnon type has been evolved and extinguished. as such human type in the region after the 5.000 B.C (in any case at least before the 2.000 B.C.) for causes that we don't know, but the most probably because mixtures with immigrants and with neighboring populations blended also with immigrants.


In the other side, the non Bask nationalist specialists in biological Anthropology affirm that the populations from the Basque country, Navarre and next areas are a race individualized inside the White Race, as the Alpine , the Mediterranean or the Nordic. The specialists consider it a variety, (western-pirenaic variety), of the Atlantic-mediterranean sub-race, inside the Mediterranean race. The physical features that have been used to describe it as the triangular face, the chin with special shape, and more, are observable in a lot of people from Guipuzcoa to North- Navarre, this is quite evident, it seems that the secular endogamic relations in those areas has extended this type of features. This point perhaps confirm your comments. Other features like the mesocefhalic skull are variable, (and of course not exclusive of them), since there is tendency to the braquicefhalic index in the French Basque country, this index doesn't fall far from French areas with alpine braquiefjalic index, and there is tendency to the dolicocephalic index in some places of the south part of the Basque country.





About the Rh Negative and certain genetic facts, is nothing clear that can justify anything, since there are places with more proportion Rh Negative not only in the Bask or Navarre valleys, In many places (Monegros, Moncayo and Huesca,(Aragon) for example, there is a lot of people with this Rh Negative where can not be observed the Bask physiognomy described. Also the new genetic studies do not confirm the separation of the Bask from the Europeans, simply they have crossed less with the recently arrived populations from other parts, and that Bask genetic lineages can be found all over western Europe.

http://www.free-space.us/racialreality/basques.html

[Faísca]

Some more Basque faces.

[Ferran]

Some Basque Carlists:

[Faísca]

I'm curious how this particular man would be classified as. Can anyone shed some light?

[Theobald]

You can see 10 Basques from the French side there : Give some examples from the West Mediterranean area

I add more pics.

[Theobald]

More :
(PS : Ask me if you want more. )

[Breogan]

Julen Guerrero, below, is not a valid example because his parents are Castilians.




Bixente Lizarazu is an exotic type, his face has nothing of Basque, and he is too short.
I explain now why he enjoys singing the Marselleise




The Examples by Coon are not representative either. I can´t explain why he did such a selection.




The Classic Basque type fits well in the following ones:

[Visigodo]

Originally Posted by Johannes de León

I'm curious how this particular man would be classified as. Can anyone shed some light?

The man racially is a Basque with extremely accented racial features. Western-Pirenaic type ("Tipo pirenaico-occidental").

[Visigodo]

I add some more examples of typical basque population, some of them with accented racial features. There is some of them with some Nordid, Alpinid, Atlantid or Cromagnoid features. But most of them with the classic Basque racial type.

[Visigodo]

Some more examples.

[Menydh]

It would also be interesting to get some samples of natives from the region of Aquitania. Ancient Aquitanian language is thought to be Basque.

I've also seen the typical Basque morphology among native types of the Gasconian Valley of Aran (free Occitania, Spain), and a few in the Gasconian Valley of Lushon (occupied Occitania, France), both from the old Bishopric of Comenges, Central Pyrenees.

You can also find some in the Pyrenean area of Alto Aragón. I suspect that the most pure Basko-Pyrenaic morphology can be found in the Pyrenean areas of Northern Navarra and, in general, in Navarra north of the Ebro river.

Basques only moved into the modern Basque lands at some point during the proto-history, most surely mixing with the native types there.