European Mediterranean Varieties

[Señor Malo]

hello
could any one give morphological diffrences and description of the three European mediterranean varieties;
Gracil or Ibero-Insular
Atlanto-Mediterranean
Pontid

Thanks in advance and Best Regards

[Sergius]

This ought to be a much longer thread. I would contribute if I could.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Kleftis

This ought to be a much longer thread. I would contribute if I could.

Ok thanks
Amorsite's Anthrolpological web page have helped me a lot to answer my question since then

[Ariets]

Originally Posted by Truth-Finder

Ok thanks
Amorsite's Anthrolpological web page have helped me a lot to answer my question since then

Please don't take his site to serious, things are outdated, beside why nowdays belief in typology?

As for question, going by old scheme we can say that Classic Mediterreans (Ibero-Insular) are these little, dark, skinny shorties. Atlanto-Mediterreans, are these bigger dark shorties, of more athlethic build, and Pontids, are alikes to them but with higher skulls and mesocephaly.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Ariets

beside why nowdays belief in typology?

More than one.
Typology is still used in anthropology.
genetics can track population movements and tell if an individual is genetically pure europoid, afroid, australid and so on but has not managed yet to explain the variability among a same race...if has not achieved to explain that is not IMo because typology does not "exist" but just bacause none has seeked to explain them from the genetic point of view, so far

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Ariets

Atlanto-Mediterreans, are these bigger dark shorties, of more athlethic build

Shorties? Whatever you are, chances are that you'll look like a pigmy next to me or to other A-Ms, from any angle you'd look at it.

[Vincent]

I also haven't seen much short Pontids. Or they are, at least, taller then you

Something like these guys, isn't it?

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Ariets

Please don't take his site to serious, things are outdated, beside why nowdays belief in typology?

Yes, I wonder why. You sure know how to argue against it.

[Ariets]

Im to lazy to write myself,and my english isn't well, so I'll give you few links to check why typology suck, by Jarl:
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - The Nordic Myth
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - The Nordic Myth
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - Debunking the Mediterranean "Nordic" myth
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - The Myth of Racial Types/Typology - Modern Human Variation
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - Debunking the Mediterranean "Nordic" myth

Typology in modern anthropology simply does not exist, mostly nowdays we have paleoanthropological, ontogenetical et cetera in anthropology, most from past ware out of context. And, what Amorshite and OEN love, saying that Nordids are Middle Easterns are as smart as saying that attacking big macho Russian, lol.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Shorties? Whatever you are, chances are that you'll look like a pigmy next to me or to other A-Ms, from any angle you'd look at it.

I was kiddin' dude

[Ariets]

Originally Posted by Truth-Finder

Typology is still used in anthropology.

By who?

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Ariets

Im to lazy to write myself,and my english isn't well, so I'll give you few links to check why typology suck, by Jarl:
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - The Nordic Myth
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - The Nordic Myth
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - Debunking the Mediterranean "Nordic" myth
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - The Myth of Racial Types/Typology - Modern Human Variation
Human Biodiversity Forum - View Single Post - Debunking the Mediterranean "Nordic" myth

One of the links proposed by Jarl in one of his threads, http://anthro.palomar.edu/vary/default.htm

"debunks" a model of classification of Races that was drop by Anthropologists even before genetics entered into the Game

[Amorsite]

Originally Posted by Ariets

Please don't take his site to serious, things are outdated, beside why nowdays belief in typology?

As for question, going by old scheme we can say that Classic Mediterreans (Ibero-Insular) are these little, dark, skinny shorties. Atlanto-Mediterreans, are these bigger dark shorties, of more athlethic build, and Pontids, are alikes to them but with higher skulls and mesocephaly.

What does it matter who uses it or who doesn't? You have to refute the essence of the concept and not appeal to fallacious tactics. Otherwise this becomes a boring and useless "who is backed by the biggest authority" contest which is not only boring but has 0 relevance and thus mocks the intellectual level of the individuals taking part in it.

Do you have any direct morphological photographic evidence that types do not exist?

(hint I don't care what this or that "expert" says any more than the opinion of some hbf posters)

[Ariets]

Originally Posted by Amorsite

What does it matter who uses it or who doesn't? You have to refute the essence of the concept and not appeal to fallacious tactics. Otherwise this becomes a boring and useless "who is backed by the biggest authority" contest which is not only boring but has 0 relevance and thus mocks the intellectual level of the individuals taking part in it.

Do you have any direct morphological photographic evidence that types do not exist?

(hint I don't care what this or that "expert" says any more than the opinion of some hbf posters)

Its not about photographies LOOOOOOOL, its about genetics

Ps. Funny was when he and ayepod claim on hbf that "classifications" are scientific ROTLMAO

[Amorsite]

Originally Posted by Ariets

Its not about photographies LOOOOOOOL, its about genetics

So you don't have any evidence? Good. Then don't expect the sensible observer who can just look at his relatives to see how types are transmitted in generations to realize that what you are saying is plain nonsense to take you any seriously.

[Ariets]

Originally Posted by Amorsite

So you don't have any evidence? Good. Then don't expect the sensible observer who can just look at his relatives to see how types are transmitted in generations to realize that what you are saying is plain nonsense to take you any seriously.

hahaha, please what next unchangable types as you say? Adaptation is a myth? Nordids are Middle-easterns? Nordids are Mediterreans? "UP's" are half-breed neanderthals? What else you, whole coonist el(sh)ite says...

Coon: 100% metrics, 100% outdated, 100% unaccurate, 0% genetics, 0 % scientific prove, 0 % logic

People change, get it, your "types" change, people are not invariably, they morphology changes by ages, and still changing, whole Homo Sapiens Sapiens population change and will change (oh, if its insult for you, then sorry, you will not progress... ).

Change matters, many things have influnce to they ability to change (climate, geographical area, adaptability, nurtition and much more).

Get it.

[Amorsite]

Originally Posted by Ariets

hahaha, please what next unchangable types as you say? Adaptation is a myth? Nordids are Middle-easterns? Nordids are Mediterreans? "UP's" are half-breed neanderthals? What else you, whole coonist el(sh)ite says...

Coon: 100% metrics, 100% outdated, 100% unaccurate, 0% genetics, 0 % scientific prove, 0 % logic

People change, get it, your "types" change, people are not invariably, they morphology changes by ages, and still changing, whole Homo Sapiens Sapiens population change and will change (oh, if its insult for you, then sorry, you will not progress...