Canabis legalisation is a crime against the Europe

[kestutisturbo]

Young people who had already taken heroin are mostly users of alcohol, cannabis or tobacco.
Cannabis had become more potent in the past few decades and governments that maintained inadequate policies got the "drug problem they deserve", Mr Costa said in the 2006 World Drug Report.
"Policy reversals leave young people confused as to just how dangerous cannabis is," he added.
He warned governments against playing party politics with the classification of cannabis as its harmful effects were "no longer that different" to the damage caused by cocaine and heroin.
The European Commission has admitted that drug abuse in the bloc and the deaths it causes have reached "unprecedented" levels and that in any given month, 1.5 million Europeans take cocaine and 12 million use cannabis.

[Occidentian]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

Young people who had already taken heroin are mostly users of alcohol, cannabis or tobacco.
Cannabis had become more potent in the past few decades and governments that maintained inadequate policies got the "drug problem they deserve", Mr Costa said in the 2006 World Drug Report.
"Policy reversals leave young people confused as to just how dangerous cannabis is," he added.
He warned governments against playing party politics with the classification of cannabis as its harmful effects were "no longer that different" to the damage caused by cocaine and heroin.
The European Commission has admitted that drug abuse in the bloc and the deaths it causes have reached "unprecedented" levels and that in any given month, 1.5 million Europeans take cocaine and 12 million use cannabis.

Should this not be proof that making it illegal makes absolutely no difference?

Look, I spoke to some corporate executives on this subject, years ago (casually) from Holland. Basically the use is going to be there, whether you like it or not. It's sort of juvenile to fantasize that there's going to be some magic method to stop it completely. It is in human nature to have some excess and release and people are going to find one way or another to do it.

The question is whether or not you want the money in the hands of the people, the government (via taxation and legitimate businesses) or in the hands of the most unscrupulous people out there, the ones whose lives are part of organized crime.

In America, the REASON Al Capone became so powerful was because of the prohibition of Alcohol. Instead of the money going into reasonable sensible business owners' hands, it went straight to him. And, with the money came the weapons, and with the weapons came the power, and before you know it, he had a reign of terror on the city he lived in (Chicago), and to some degrees, across the nation.

Funny how his power left just as prohibition was lifted.

The same goes with drug prohibition.

The usage still exists. The numbers YOU used are proof of it.

People find a way.

So, the choice is yours: Either keep in criminal and make it so tons of money goes into the hands of criminal organizations, and with it the ability to buy countless weapons and make even more crime, or make it so that it goes into reasonable business owners, who have a family and children, who then can sell it in a regulated amount, in sensible quantities, actually reducing the deaths and harm for all.

I wish people would just get the economic fact that as long as you cannot control the demand, people will find a way, and that will create a black market. Guaranteed. And black markets create more and more crime the longer they exist.

So, I firmly disagree with you. I am for complete decriminalization. You reduce crime, reduce money spent, control the usage and, overall, make society better, the more it's out in the open and legal.

[kestutisturbo]

Thanks for opinion. If someone wants to poison himself freely he can travel to Holland. But if some parents are afraid about young generation - they must think about this travelling. What to do now in EU- it's another great problem. Maybe the best way is to build total control system on the borders. But the most important is to change style of life in Afganistan. Now NATO solders are more building, than shooting. It.s nice and it's a chance of the Europe to stop total poisoning of bodies, souls and minds.

[Marka Ragnos]

I think that cannabis should be legal, but it should be selling only in some shops (one in every large city).

There is much more harmful drugs than cannabis.

[kestutisturbo]

Originally Posted by Marka Ragnos

I think that cannabis should be legal, but it should be selling only in some shops (one in every large city).

There is much more harmful drugs than cannabis.

all the drugs are poisson for Europeans from Asia

canabis is the first step

shops cuoldn't solve the poissoning problem

[Marka Ragnos]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

all the drugs are poisson for Europeans from Asia

canabis is the first step

shops cuoldn't solve the poissoning problem

Alcohol is the first step. it is also a drug.

[Leland Gaunt]

Originally Posted by Marka Ragnos

Alcohol is the first step. it is also a drug.

You forgot about coffee and Coca-Cola.

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Leland Gaunt

You forgot about coffee and Coca-Cola.

...and also Internet !

[Sergius]

The Internet is keeping me off of hard drugs!

Seriously, I am very opposed to cannabis legalisation, and anyone who has ever known a person who has sunken into addiction will know why. Sadly, these people can be found by the loads in all medium to large European cities.

[kestutisturbo]

Originally Posted by Leland Gaunt

You forgot about coffee and Coca-Cola.

Some grass plus cofee - EXPLOSIVE INSIDE~

[Occidentian]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

The Internet is keeping me off of hard drugs!

Seriously, I am very opposed to cannabis legalisation, and anyone who has ever known a person who has sunken into addiction will know why. Sadly, these people can be found by the loads in all medium to large European cities.

Again, the drug is criminalized in most of those places, so I don't see any argument for it in what you said.

Criminalization CLEARLY doesn't work, so why are you giving glazing examples of just that?

[Sergius]

Is that your argument in favour of legalization?

[Occidentian]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

Is that your argument in favour of legalization?

That is my comment on the post.

I've already posted my argument, if you read above.

[kestutisturbo]

The drugs phenomenon is one of the major concerns of the citizens of Europe and a major threat to the security and health of European society. The EU has up to 2 million problem drug users. The use of drugs, particularly among young people is at historically high levels. The incidence of HIV/AIDS among drug users is causing increasing concern in a series of Member States.




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EU calls for 'common language' to describe drug-related crime
Ensuring a high level of security for the general public is high on the European policy agenda and stepping up work to prevent drug-related crime is one of the key goals of the current EU drugs action plan (2005-2008). But, before countries can measure the extent of such crime or assess the impact of measures to counter it, they must first agree on a common language to describe the problem.


The European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction

EMCDDA | EMCDDA

[Occidentian]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

The drugs phenomenon is one of the major concerns of the citizens of Europe and a major threat to the security and health of European society. The EU has up to 2 million problem drug users. The use of drugs, particularly among young people is at historically high levels. The incidence of HIV/AIDS among drug users is causing increasing concern in a series of Member States.




Figure EYE-1


EU calls for 'common language' to describe drug-related crime
Ensuring a high level of security for the general public is high on the European policy agenda and stepping up work to prevent drug-related crime is one of the key goals of the current EU drugs action plan (2005-2008). But, before countries can measure the extent of such crime or assess the impact of measures to counter it, they must first agree on a common language to describe the problem.


The European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction

EMCDDA | EMCDDA

America's done this garbage for years.

All it does it make organized crime wealthier, at the cost of the taxpayers.

Realize that unless you're going to rule Europe like Stalin you're not going to have the force necessary to stop drug use, so all you're going to have are these horse and pony shows pretending to make some sort of a dent in a fairly inelastic demand, thereby keeping the US the same before and after decriminalization.

Of course, the one thing that's good about decriminalization is that people cease hiding and cease binging on it in high quantities, since it's something people just get accustomed to, and it stops having any rebellion or taboo associated with it. So, you ALSO reduce drug-related crimes (in terms of being out of control or addicted).

Of course, the vast majority of drug-related crimes are brought about by organized crime who get ALL of the drug money when it's made illegal.

There is no argument possible to indicate a reduction in crime due to drug criminalization. In ALL situations, historically, it's raised crime.

So, your point is?

[Marka Ragnos]

One point:

No one force you to use any drugs. If person is weak moron, and use drugs, it is only his own choice. Thatkind of persons are not worthy of staying alive, so let them take drugs and die away.

[Susi]

I think it should be outlawed. Personally. I've known too many kids who don't know better do it. My old high school was infamous for it. This one girl was bumped up a year in school and she just descended downwards after trying it. She wasn't "stupid" per se. She just was naive.

[Sergius]

Originally Posted by Marka Ragnos

One point:

No one force you to use any drugs. If person is weak moron, and use drugs, it is only his own choice. Thatkind of persons are not worthy of staying alive, so let them take drugs and die away.

That's simply disgusting.
Yes, some people easily fall prey to temptation, but the sane choice is to help such a person. That's one of the differences between a pack of vultures and a civilized society.