Canabis legalisation is a crime against the Europe

[Tuco]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

I bet toothpaste, electronics, headache pills, and daily showers with soap that makes your dirty parts smell like peaches are also Slovenian traditions, that pre-date modernity.

What kind of idea is it that everything that doesnt derive out of a tradition is exotic and unacceptable? Then the world could stagnate. Things change sometimes, new things happen, and thats how traditions are made. No one is saying cannabis is alcohol, are that you should remove your alcohol traditions in favor of cannabis, just because some people might want to use it. I believe that's not a matter of the state subject to regulation. It's voluntary use of some herb, you can't compare it to wine or beer.

Pushing it to extreme... I could as welll push it to other extreme to show how dumb this comparrisons are, but I won't... I don't have time for this

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by M.R.

Pushing it to extreme... I could as welll push it to other extreme to show how dumb this comparrisons are, but I won't... I don't have time for this

No, it's actually your comparison which is absurd, I mean, if Slovenia is as alcoholized as Denmark, then nothing could stop producers of wine or beer.


And, as I've already mentioned, there is tradition for using cannabis for medicinal purposes, since Roman times, and up into the Middle Ages, back in the day before America pushed a prohibition. See Dioscorides and Galen.

Even if you want to continue the American U.N. prohibition-act, then you should at least recognize the medicinal uses of cannabis. European physicians have done so long before the "medical science" of today, which will put anyone on synthetic drugs with the blink of an eye, that destroy your body.

Having chronic insomnia myself, I know this for a fact. Using sleeping pills is much more unhealthy than even a few beers every night. Sleeping pills come with the most awful hangover and you're always tired when you use them really. It destroys your life.

Now, the only thing that is medically responsible, cures my insomnia, and doesnt give me a hangover that makes me lazy and unmotivated the day after like do sleeping pills and even alcohol is a cannabis cigarette

But I guess you're all right. I should just trust these sleeping pills for the sake of conformity, even if it makes my day worthless and even if it means chronic tiredness.

Frankly, it's so easy to judge something you know very little about. And that is what you are doing.

[Tuco]

Well actualy... bah i don't have time for this

I rather consume some alcohol and watch football later

z alkoholom proti drogi

[Holy Roman Empire]

My dear Mr. Lutiferre you have a way with words,however you are just like the French you look down on every other European nation through your perfume noses,but your nation cannot fight wars and is full of Muslims.So please stop while you can and throw that self rightous image away.

[Deus Vult]

Originally Posted by Holy Roman Empire

My dear Mr. Lutiferre you have a way with words,however you are just like the French you look down on every other European nation through your perfume noses,but your nation cannot fight wars and is full of Muslims.So please stop while you can and throw that self rightous image away.

Yes... what about England?

[Lutiferre]

Don't smoke weed. Sniff glue, its legal.

I think this says more than it might seem.

You can by legal means induce a much more dangerous and impairing intoxication than with cannabis, if you want to. It also enforces the point that you can never criminalize peoples self-destructivity. There will always be some way. And remember one thing: there has never been a single recorded case of anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana.

The only true reason to oppose it is the modern decay of moral values and traditions in European countries. But opposing something like cannabis is not going to help us further away from decay. Frankly, cannabis just never had anything to do with it, except serving to symbolize hippies due to their stereotypical use of it. As if the plant itself is tainted and associated with crime, irresponsibility and hippies. But then it is the cannabis culture, and not the plant or drug itself which is to be opposed.

Originally Posted by M.R.

Well actualy... bah i don't have time for this

Why do you bother making posts like this?

[Holy Roman Empire]

My dear Pro Hibernia, as with regards to the Galippali campaign it was a military disaster,however Lawrance of Arbia led many guerilla attacks against the Ottoman Empire and as a result crippled it to the point of withdrawl from the First World War.

I have a huge respect for the turks who fight like men,I hope that you do not try to be a Islamafacist but a man of Honour.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Obviously not, considering the following:

Scythians was only one point on the list, that you cherry picked because of your limited knowlege.

We simply don't have the same preoccupations. Where does your huge knowledge in such matter come from? Simply from your interest in weed.

I don't claim to be a Scythian, nor a neolithic person, this was only historical background. See below.

You certainly are not one of these scalp hunters, are you?

Instead I'd say this was an attempt to justify an illicit activity that has little to do with traditional French hood or Danish hood. It is historically interesting but says little about the smoking tradition in Danemark and elsewhere. Do you feel as a Danish patriot uncomfortable for it is more connected to Levant than it is to Danemark?

This was an argument about the terrestiality of the plant. No reason to distort my sayings. And then you failed to address the widespread medicinal usage from Roman times up until the medieval, which is active consumption of the plant. I believe such medicinal usage is justified to this day, and we have a medicinal tradition for it since old ages.

I didn't fail, I said nothing about that. Nuance. Yourself failed to demonstrate that cannabis has been used as a "recreational" substance for a long period of European history -not pre/proto-history.

You said yourself it was for medicinal usage. Two different cases that have NOTHING to do with each others: physical suffering in one case, entertainment in the other. I very much doubt every single pro-legalisation guy has a terminal cancer. It's a hobby for them.

It's hypocrisy. Let's admit you simply like to have fun and that it is your main interest in cannabis and the main reason to have cannabis legalised is recreation. Let's not instrumentalise the suffering of people, will you.

The criminalization is a new, extraterrestrial American law, which America forced upon us through the U.N 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs act. These are the authorities you are defending in a repulsing outburst of puritanism.

No outburst, otherwise I would have punctuated my sentence with a !

Smoke, this is your life, not mine.

And you assume cannabis does that for everyone who use it. The statistics contradict you. The youth who use cannabis in Denmark, are the same youth who are casual drinkers with no inflated impairment in their functioning in life. Not heavy-drug users, ghetto people, lazy hippies or any other idea of yours.

Let's see what your situation and your friends' look like in 5 years ahead. That should be interesting. I hope you the best, though.

Thats right, everyone who has used or uses cannabis is a lazy, self-destructive no life ghetto loser. Wait, end caption of American anti-reefer propaganda.

What I dislike the most is the fact they are merely following a mainstream infra culture promoted by youth mind's corrupters. Cannabis is not an underground activity. Smokers have nothing to fear from authorities. In short they are the System's rebels.

Then you don't know how common it is, and the attitudes about hippies that youth have today. Which are negative.

How is it negative? Although their attitude towards hippies is negative... they chose to smoke nonetheless. That makes no sense.

No. And frankly, no one [who uses cannabis] cares what you think. Go about your own business and leave peoples liberties alone, especially when we are talking of something as harmless as cannabis compared to much worser drugs, and much worser trends.

Sort of individual right guerilleros.

It's fine with me as long as you keep your poison to yourself.

No one is forcing you to smoke cannabis. The people that do it are only interested in their own right, not what you think about that.

What about your duty?

There is no need for anything exotic. Besides, as I've already proved, it's not an exotic plant, the widespread consumption for intoxicating effects is new, but not exotic. It's native phenomenon.

My point.
Exotic it is to me. We probably have different perspective concerning exoticness.

[Wild Bear]

I agree with some of you. While I have nothing against drinking, I've always seen cannabis as something foreign.

[Yago]

Originally Posted by lupor

I am not really sure what I should think about a cannabis legalisation... On the one hand alcohol and other drugs are legal too but on the other hand there'd be the disadvantages, like for example more cannabis consuments ect...

There is a full and long culture of non abusive alcohol consumption throughout Europe, which has existed since memorial times. It is also a culture linked to gastronomy, socialising and many other aspects of our lifes. That alone is an argument strong enough for the acceptance of alcoholic drinks.

Cannabis, on the other hand, is strange to every European culture and we don't have a social tradition around its consumption. There is nothing wrong with trying the exotic for testing. But to play into its hands is a different matter which can have an unknown effect into our societies.

[Routasydän]

Instead I'd say this was an attempt to justify an illicit activity that has little to do with traditional French hood or Danish hood.

What would boyz in da hood say if they'd be denied cannabis!

[Carnyx]

Instead I'd say this was an attempt to justify an illicit activity that has little to do with traditional Frenchness or Danishness.

[Max Rasna]

Sorry, but I disagree with all of thus.

Firstly, cannabis has been used for thousands of years with little ill effect. It was only banned in the US after a campaign by a major wood pulping paper manufacturer who feared the threat from hemp paper competition. He then invented a load of scare stories about marijuanha and drug crazed Mexicans to justify his proposals.

You can no more class cannabis with heroine, cocaine, crack etc than you can compare a glass of wine with a meal and an alcoholic in the park drinking methylated spirits. To say that hard drug users and abusers have all used cannabis is a bit like saying all alcoholics have drunk a glass of Chardonnay. It does not mean that all cannabis users become drug addicts nor that all Chardonnay drinkers will become alcoholics in the park.

I lived for a year in Amsterdam and saw little or no trouble there at all, I lived for a year in London and felt positively intimidated and under threat from the gangs of drunks roaming the streets at certains times and on certain days.

One study even suggested that someone who smokes marijuanha is actually a more cautious and better driver.

If as a society we still allow tobacco to be sold, alcohol to be sold and all the other poisons they put in our food etc how can we ban marijuanha which is the most natural and "lightest" of stimulants?

Not an argument pro or against, but I was reading the schizophrenia thread and literature indicates that marijuana use is linked to schizophrenia.