Canabis legalisation is a crime against the Europe

[Exeter]

It depends on the cannabis plant, if it's indica or sativa. They affect you in different ways. Indica gives a more sleepy type of stone. Sativa produce a more energetic high. There are many strains that are crosses of these plants.

Originally Posted by Plethon

...except for hysterical laughter and behaving like an idiot.

[Exeter]

How can we be sure it was because of cannabis? What do you mean with their life getting destroyed?

Originally Posted by Theobald

Having seen people whose life was destroyed by cannabis, I tend to disagree.

[Exeter]

I think I can imagine what you mean. I'm not sure so could you please elaborate on the difference between cigar and cigarette smokers. There are of course those who smoke both.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

With respect to cigarettes one should also not forget that there is a huge difference between cigars and cigarettes. As there is in cigar smokers and cigarette smokers.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Exeter

How can we be sure it was because of cannabis?

Because I saw a change before and after they started smoking cannabis on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by Exeter

What do you mean with their life getting destroyed?

Carnyx summed it up very well :

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Demotivation, loss of Memory, difficulties to learn, lack of caution, relational problems, focus on one interest (weed), apathy, depression, psychics issues, schyzophrenia, etc.

Very regular cannabis users (of course I don't mean the guy who smokes once a week) generally end up stopping their studies, they don't want and/or can't work (demotivation, apathy), sometimes expeled from the family home because their parents can't stand them anymore (or at least they have important problems with them), ... Many of them start dealing drugs as well as this is the only way to buy their own cannabis and end up in jail or in a cemetery; others live thanks to the social system, or in the street without a home. This is a very common phenomenon among "White Trash" people.
Add to this that they generally not only use cannabis, but also high quantities of alcohol and often "hard" drugs such as heroin or crack (classic cocaine is more common among successful people).

[Yago]

Originally Posted by Exeter

I think I can imagine what you mean. I'm not sure so could you please elaborate on the difference between cigar and cigarette smokers. There are of course those who smoke both.

Cigar smokers do not inhalate the smoke into their lungs, and they are much less regular in that they usually smoke a cigar a day or two, at most.

Apart from that, and unlike cigarettes, cigars do not contain any of the many chemical additives that cigarettes contain. They are plain tobacco leaves.

[kestutisturbo]

What are the best sites against canabis and the other drugs?

Cannabis is claimed to have beneficial effects in treating chronic diseases such as AIDS and multiple sclerosis. The main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis is delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), which is available legally as a prescribed drug in capsule form. In 1998 US researchers found that THC targets the same pain centres in the brain that morphine does, proving its usefulness in pain relief, and in November 1998, cannabis was legalized for medical use in six US states. Canada approved legislation for widespread medical use in August 2001.

The British Medical Research Council approved a three-year study, commencing in December 1999, to assess the benefits of cannabis in alleviating some of the symptoms of multiple sclerosis. In October 2001, the British government put forward a proposal to reclassify cannabis from a Class B drug to a Class C drug. As such a Class C drug possession would carry less severe penalties.


A report released in March 1999 by the Institute of Medicine in the USA said that cannabis should be clinically tested because it helps fight pain and nausea. A US study involving 3,882 people who had survived heart attacks revealed that smoking cannabis may increase the risk of a heart attack, by as much as five times for an hour after smoking. The risk may increase because cannabis increases the heart rate by about 40 beats a minute.

From Canabis - Hutchinson encyclopedia article about Canabis

[Marcus Marulus]

after reading the last post, I finally made up my mind: I am giving up health insurance and I am going to grow big quanities of cannabis...

[kestutisturbo]

The problem of canabis is not simple - the last my post stressed that every poisson could be used for treatment in necessary amounts, but if the user is ...

The roots of stupid canabis usage are much more deep...I think this is kind of escape from world or narrow surrounding problems...

[kestutisturbo]

Now, after discussion we could start discuss the demand text:
(Project)

We demand to stop canabis legalisation, becouse of lots societies and communities health and criminal problems connected to the canabis usage.

What is Your opinion?

[Rheinländer]

I am personally in favour of Cannabis legalization. The drugs possible harmful effects don't even get close to the damage that alcohol can do. Secondly, criminalization of the drug simply does not work. I have finished school this year and know out of experience that despite its illegality Cannabis is easier to get than ever. It is probably easier for an under 18 - year old to get weed in countries having prohibited it, than in the Netherlands.

[Germanicus]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

Now, after discussion we could start discuss the demand text:
(Project)

We demand to stop canabis legalisation, becouse of lots societies and communities health and criminal problems connected to the canabis usage.

What is Your opinion?

In my day we smoked raw hemp, scented with lemon grass.
thats when we had an empire.

[Yago]

And we smoked crushed dried leaves of eucaliptus, rolled on toilette paper. That was when I was in boarding school.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Menydh

I could name a few with virtually no brain cells left after a life time consuming cannabis.

Thats interesting, as one of the central roles in cannabinoids is the stimulation of neurogenesis (brain growth), not to mention their neuroprotective properties which prevent drugs like alcohol from damaging your brain cell structure permanently by killing brain cells, their stimulative effects of neuroregeneration, their inhibitory effects on neurodegeneration and neurodegenerative diseases, and its anti-carcinogenic effects which is an effective cure against specific forms of brain cancer. See this for more information.

To be fair, I know you were just using an expression. I am only taking advantage of that to give a small leture. However, it is a common misconception that cannabis kills brain cells, which is actually the noble deed of alcohol, not cannabis.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Exeter

It depends on the cannabis plant, if it's indica or sativa. They affect you in different ways. Indica gives a more sleepy type of stone. Sativa produce a more energetic high. There are many strains that are crosses of these plants.

Correct, and there are many nuances in between, depending on strength and CBD and CBN relative to THC levels, which significantly impacts on the nature of the intoxication. Indica are more CBD-concentrated than Sativas, producing heavier sedation and less activeness.

By the way, there are also the Australis and Ruderalis strains, though they are exotic and generally not used for cultivation.

[Jacob Le Bin]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Correct, and there are many nuances in between, depending on strength and CBD and CBN relative to THC levels, which significantly impacts on the nature of the intoxication. Indica are more CBD-concentrated than Sativas, producing heavier sedation and less activeness.

You mean, you only smoke in order to prevent alcohol damage on your braincells?

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

You mean, you only smoke in order to prevent alcohol damage on your braincells?

Correct. We understand each other

[Tuco]

Canabis is for weak people, real men drink alcohol (and even this in reasonable limits). Everybody has some weakness though.

I'm not really against legalization at this moment either, neither against legalization of any drug for the matter.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by M.R.

Canabis is for weak people

Damn, I must give it to you. You've made your case against "canabis". :-O

[orieleye]

Even in Holland where cannabis is legal there's a strong crime link. There are also €2bn of cannabis exports from Holland annually and very little done to prevent it. Yet in the importation countries it's illegal. Time and again in Ireland there are seizures of cannabis that was exported from Holland. What I would like to know is why the European arrest warrant isn't used against Dutch exporters? It's used to enforce one country's censorship in other free societies, as in the Tobin case, so why not with drugs too?

[Tuco]

I'm for legalization of drugs at this moment, not only marihuana, people over 18 should be allowed to use any drug they want. It's not illegal to bet your whole salary on 20,00 odds bet, it's not illegal to smash a new TV set for no reason and ultimately it's not illegal to make a complete idiot out of yourself. You can't protect stupid people against stupidities with stupid laws, especialy as law system is as effective as an unloaded gun in battle.