For or against the general compulsory labour service?

[Whiteruthenian]

Just a question

Originally Posted by jacque

I do not think they are taking our jobs, howerver doing the job that you and I won't think about. Most of the Swedish immigrants sweeps every train station, and toillets, its good for us.
I am happy i don't have do it.

[Menydh]

I voted for, though I'm not sure which of the two you meant:

• as a social service alternative to, say the military service for those who don't wish to take up on arms, or
• compulsory for unemployed who are living off social benefits

In both cases I am all for it.

[Susi]

I agree with Mynydd on this one too.

People need to get off their arse and work.

[Whiteruthenian]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

• compulsory for unemployed who are living off social benefits

This is it. I meant the service for unemployed people in the cases when unemployment becomes parasitism. In general – the duty for everybody to be a useful member of society (even forcedly).

[Menydh]

Another additional idea would be to enforce brigades of prison immates to perform certain social duties.

I mean for petty crimes. One of the purposed goals of prisons, to redeem criminals, fails miserably and actually works they way round to intended.

This way they would redeem their crimes before society, pay up for the time prison sentenced instead of it being some holidays paid by the state, and surely think it twice before committing further crimes in the future.

[Laocoon]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

[*] compulsory for unemployed who are living off social benefits[/list]

There are those who choose this kind of life, marginals, and others who don't. The best thing would be for the latter to be given the opportunity to find a job that fit their profile, not whatever compulsory job. This would be a decent social solution, yours is not, unless you want to create more anger and frustration.

Originally Posted by Susi

People need to get off their arse and work.

Well, if it was that simple... Do you think jobless people are lazy asses who choose not to work? There's not job for everyone in this current system, so there must be unemployed. Are you ok to clean up public toilets after your university degree?

[svin]

Finishing university does not make you better than others. If you can't find the job after you degree, you can try to learn something else and while you are learning there is nothing bad in doing some social duties.
As for cleaning toilets, I think robots should do this work.

[Laocoon]

Originally Posted by svin

Finishing university does not make you better than others.

Not my point. I'm assuming you are not studying for nothing, right? Are you expecting to work as a Math God or as a gardener in the future? Why do you study? So that you can find a job that is made for you.

If you can't find the job after you degree, you can try to learn something else and while you are learning there is nothing bad in doing some social duties.

Temporary jobs are no solution. Ever been jobless?

[Susi]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Well, if it was that simple... Do you think jobless people are lazy asses who choose not to work? There's not job for everyone in this current system, so there must be unemployed. Are you ok to clean up public toilets after your university degree?

I don't have a job myself. No one will hire me. Instead I do volunteer work.

Well if I cleaned public toilets, I would make them so damned clean that everyone would want to use them. So there.

Originally Posted by svin

Finishing university does not make you better than others. If you can't find the job after you degree, you can try to learn something else and while you are learning there is nothing bad in doing some social duties.
As for cleaning toilets, I think robots should do this work.

A piece of paper like a doctorate just means that you spent a lot of your life so you could be called "Dr. Susi" instead of "Mrs. Susi"

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Not my point. I'm assuming you are not studying for nothing, right? Are you expecting to work as a Math God or as a gardener in the future? Why do you study? So that you can find a job that is made for you.

I expect to be ruler of the world...

Temporary jobs are no solution. Ever been jobless?

Temporary jobs suck like ... suckiness.

The people treat you like crap, the pay sucks, and usually it's a job no one at the place wants to do (i.e. spending 6 hours in a freezer).

I hate being jobless. I feel useless.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I voted for, though I'm not sure which of the two you meant:

• as a social service alternative to, say the military service for those who don't wish to take up on arms, or
• compulsory for unemployed who are living off social benefits

In both cases I am all for it.

Agreed. But it should also be used on criminals as others have stated above. When it comes to social service their should be a period of time before people are forced to due their service (let's say three months) and in that period time they will get social services but will need to provide evidence that they are applying for jobs that they are qualified for.

A fourth category compulsory labour service should be put upon is students. In communist Yugoslavia their existed a program called "Radna Akcija" (Work Action) and under this program high school students and university students were encourage to volunteer to do labour service for 2 months during their summer break. I believe such a program should be voluntary on university students and high school students with good marks but compulsory for slacking high school students and not only that slackers should be required to work the entire summer.