Portuguese Language in risk of being swallowed by Brazil.

[Dux]

Politics of Portugal are bringing Portuguese language down the drain. In a dirty globalization attempt, Portuguese scholars try to merge Portuguese Language into Brazilian, stating that the language is the same. Instituto Camões, the supposedly protective entity of our language brings us down to our knees. Nowadays I fear for my language. The Brazilian speech is everywhere. The matter is not about orthography like in American VS British. The phonetics are much farther, the spelling is farther, I dare say Portuguese is much closer to Galician.

The pro-afro governments see this as the Golden opportunity to annihilate our old European Portugal. Economically we are slowly being taken by Spain, our hardcore industries were sell (to avoid the words "given away") by iberist PS to our neighbours in order to be calmly shut off, so that we are dependent on the Spanish steel and energy.

But much worse than that, culturally we are being swallowed by the big 3rd world giant, Brazil. The CPLP and Instituto Camões are forcing again the infamous Orthographic Agreement.

The first spelling reform was in 1931, abolishing the old fashioned "pharmacia" in exchange for "farmacia". The reform was somehow good to Portugal; the diacritical signs were reinforced, but Brazil whined on: our spelling was alien to them. In 1943 and 1945, yields were made, but still they made complaints that they couldn’t understand our spelling. In 1971, 1973 and 1975 things got even worse, but still tolerable. Brazil wanted more, and so the new post leftist-revolution governments. In 1986 a brutal agreement was made. Words like "cágado" and "cagado" were to be written in the same way... So you could only figure by context if you were referring to "turtles" or to a person that had just "shit" its pants. Ignominious. People complaints were ignored, the new standards were approved in 1990 and were to be effective in 1994. This time people didn't take it. Teachers didn't approve. In 1996, the treaty was ratified, but only by Portugal, Brazil and Cape Verde, with natural pressure of Brazil and Portuguese pro-3rd world minds. This mistake gave us Portuguese new oxygen. In 2004 the minions stroke back, in a summit in Fortaleza, Brazil (of course, being the new brain centre of the Portuguese Language) and our fuzzy ministers along with the Brazilian educational joke for minister and the other CPLP countries got along to force the ridiculous Treaty to be official. Nothing is being taken seriously, since we still want to know the written difference between "turtle" and "shitten", like in speech.

The national radios and broadcasting means have Portuguese music quotas, but as Portuguese leaders try to keep our eyes wide shut with the one-language lie, we are flooded everyday with Brazilian music. And we are flooded with Brazilian migration. Everywhere there's a 3rd world Brazilmania, and children are starting to mix Brazilian grammar in the already afro-pressured urban language. Children can already be heard saying "Eu falei pra ela" instead of "Eu disse-lhe" for "I told her". In the street interviews, Brazilians are always interviewed in the quest for opinions, TV wants to change our minds so that we see them as Portuguese.

In local commemorations, we can no longer listen but Brazilian vulgar music. All is set to make them comfortable here. The quest of Portuguese leaders is "be Brazilian or be gone".

In the new big internet boom named Wikipedia, European Portuguese petitions for an Encyclopaedia have been overruled and banned. We, 10 millions, are not allowed to have our own Wikipedia. A poll was made. Portuguese lost 36 against 3. Who voted? pt.wikipedia people... needless to say Brazilians and some Brazilian lovers. Comparisons were made: Bahasa from Malaysia and Indonesia have their separate Wikipedias, and their language is much closer. We don't. Allemanic is much closer to German than Portuguese is to Brazilian. Their small petition has been recognized. Our was violently shunned. The answer from Metawiki is that a separation would weaken the one-Portuguese Language... like it was one. What about Denmark, Norway and Sweden? do they have to merge to gain strength? Poor Icelandic and Faroese. With this last confrontation, admins said that it is their fate to disappear in a short future and that we should be glad to be integrated in the 186 million Brazilians to assure survival.

Hypocrisy. Ignominious Hypocrisy. Even MS yielded to our reality. In the past they told our people the same, but now reality has come to it. We don't need Brazilian Windows anymore (well, we shouldn't need Windows, but that's another question).

Here it is the link with (Brazilian) voting in response to the Portuguese petition

Petition denied

(uff, I made a mistake with editing, thought I lost everything, got to start writing in the wordpad first)

[Strengthandhonour]

that is kind of depressing. perhaps you could point out some proper examples of how the Portugese language is dissapearing for us curious members that do not know enough about this.

[Herac]

First they destroyed the culture from southern gauchos, now they want to destroy one of the most beautiful languages of the world: the portuguese language.

So I keep saying: SAVE EUROPE FROM BRAZIL! Don't let Europe 'be' Brazil.

[Faísca]

I find this all utterly ridiculous, if our spelling is or was alien to them, then they must be absolute morons, for God's sake, everyone with at least half a brain would understand the concept of mutual intelligibility. If we as Portuguese understand quite well Castilian, I can't really see how a Brazilian would have trouble understanding us.

Originally Posted by Marquis of Marialva

Words like "cágado" and "cagado" were to be written in the same way... [...] since we still want to know the written difference between "turtle" and "shitten", like in speech.

But the difference do exist, it is written cágado, the tonic is the esdrúxula (there's a word I don't know in English... ) so it is quite a rule to have a diacritic. While the tonic of cagado is the grave, and that tonic rarely, very rarely actually, have diacritics, except to separate diphtongs.

In the new big internet boom named Wikipedia, European Portuguese petitions for an Encyclopedia have been overruled and banned. We, 10 millions, are not allowed to have our own Wikipedia. A votation was made. Portuguese lost 36 against 3. Who voted? pt.wikipedia people... needless to say brazillians and some brazillian lovers. Comparisons were made: Bahasa from Malaysia and Indonesia have their separate Wikipedias, and their language is much closer. We don't. Allemanic is much closer to German than Portuguese is to Brazillian. Their small petition has been recognized. Our was violently shunned. The answer form Metawiki is that a separtion would weaken the one-Portuguese Language... like it was one. What about Denmark, Norway and Sweden? do they have to merge to gain strength? Poor Icelandic and Faorese. With this last confrontation, admins said that it is their fate to disappear in a short future and that we should be glad to be integrated in the 186 million Brazillians to assure survival.

Hypocrisy. Ignominious Hypocrisy. Even MS yielded to our reality. In the past they told our people the same, but now reality has come to it. We don't need Brazillian windows anymore (well, we shouldn't need Windows, but that's another question).

Here it is the link with (brazillian) votation in response to the Portuguese petition.

Petition denied

(uff, I made a mistake with editing, thought I lost everything, got to start writing in the wordpad first)

Not that I agree with Whiskypedia's policy, but I understand their point of view, Internet users are not that much in Portugal, moreover those willing to participate on such activity, most are too busy trying to find porn. A Portuguese only section would be good, but it would be a living dead section.

[Dux]

Originally Posted by Faísca

I find this all utterly ridiculous, if our spelling is or was alien to them, then they must be absolute morons, for God's sake, everyone with at least half a brain would understand the concept of mutual intelligibility. If we as Portuguese understand quite well Castilian, I can't really see how a Brazilian would have trouble understanding us.

Our movies and whatever productions are subtitled in Brazil...

Originally Posted by Faísca

But the difference do exist, it is written cágado, the tonic is the esdrúxula (there's a word I don't know in English... ) so it is quite a rule to have a diacritic. While the tonic of cagado is the grave, and that tonic rarely, very rarely actually, have diacritics, except to separate diphtongs.

Proparoxytone

Check out what is being churned in our backs. There's a new wave, they don't give up.

Acordo Ortográfico

Originally Posted by Faísca

Not that I agree with Whiskypedia's policy, but I understand their point of view, Internet users are not that much in Portugal, moreover those willing to participate on such activity, most are too busy trying to find porn.

Also true! LOL!

Originally Posted by Faísca

A Portuguese only section would be good, but it would be a living dead section.

I don't think so, many portuguese give up of Wiskas-pedia because of them being euro resilient, they keep on altering our articles.

Check here the mastermind of the Acordo Ortográfico lobby.

And a link in portuguese with questions of a worried citizen.

If you people in the forum are curious about what they say here, I can translate.

To the portuguese speakers, we may also discuss this in our language section, if you please! We must be aware of what people are doing to ruin Portugal. Much more interesting than Olivença, indeed. The time those guys waste with Olivença lost cause... seriously they better regard at this. They reform into Grupo de Amigos da Ortografia. The first letters still would be G.A.O. wouldn't that be great?

Cheers!

[Gil]

The language is called "portuguese" for a simple reason: it originated in Portugal and stems from galician-portuguese dialects which in turn stem from common latin.

The whole subject has been going on for several years now, the main problem being in terms of population; Brazil has a population far higher in numbers than we have and hence a larger percentage of "portuguese speakers"... that we should decide to bend over and accept their orthographic mistakes and clumsy (not to say dumb) approaches on neologisms is clearly retarded and as PC as it gets.
Stuff like "estadounidense" instead of "americano" shows how much our language and cultural approach is different; yes, we did colonise the damn place but it sure as hell isn't Portugal nor we are Brazil.

[Kernunnos]

Put up a wikipedia bashing page, or look for wikipedia critic websites (there seem to be quite a few).

Point out the stalinist behavior of Wikipedia which is crushing a national language.

[Kernunnos]

Main Page - Wikitruth

and

Anti-Wikipedia 2: The Rise of the Latrines

could be a good start for having some justice.

A dedicated website on national portuguese scale could be helpful too.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Herac

First they destroyed the culture from southern gauchos, now they want to destroy one of the most beautiful languages of the world: the portuguese language.

So I keep saying: SAVE EUROPE FROM BRAZIL! Don't let Europe 'be' Brazil.

That's bad. If europe will become a land of poverty, sky rocketing crime and murder rates and at the same time it will become more of an extremely liberal and somewhat degenerate society.

[Erasmus]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

That's bad. If europe will become a land of poverty, sky rocketing crime and murder rates and at the same time it will become more of an extremely liberal and somewhat degenerate society.

Hmm...

Do you mean Herac is right?

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Erasmus

Hmm...

Do you mean Herac is right?

Of course Herac is right. There is something wrong when a country starts to look like Brazil.

The problem with Portugal and brazilianisation is that it is the easiest place to brazilized for several reasons. One Brazil speaks Portuguese, the number of ethnic Portugese in Brazil is at least 4 times more then the number in Portugal and if one counts those of partial Portuguese descent living in Brazil it's even higher. Not only that but it seems Blacks from former Portuguese colony cause Brazilianisation to occur faster and last time I heard they're coming to Portugal in frightening numbers for a nation so small.

[Franze]

I didn´t know that process, the Portugal themes are misterious for me, and yes, it´s disastrous, I thought that portuguese were more patriots than that, but I am depressed.

[Marcus Marulus]

I've heard lots of Iberian (Spanish, Portuguese and Iberoamerican) members of this board warn about danger of possible Brazilianization of Europe, and the Iberian peninsula in particular.

Since I don't know much about Brazil, I kindly ask: can someone explain to me what that means and what is understood by that? I would also like some articles, whether in English, Spanish or Portuguese, on that topic.

Thanks in advance.

[Strengthandhonour]

Well let's just say Brazil is the ultimate example of a mutlicultural society. I have been there. It was just everything mixing with everything plus an endless amount of crime on the streets of the cities. One thing I will never forget is all the Brazilian families I have seen. A blond father with a mestiza mother and their children..one blond and one black. I have seen many Brazilian families like this.
Oh and I am guessing that Brazilian music has not arrived in Serbia yet, no? if not, consider yourself lucky and enjoy it while you can

[Freebooter]

It's repulsive - in the vast majority of foreign nations that offer Portuguese language programs, they are all in Brazilian Portuguese. It is impossible for the proper language to survive when so many people from so many sources are attempting to topple and outweigh our language by propagating the use of that jungle-tongue garbage. Expecting to learn proper Portuguese whilst being taught Brazilian is akin to expecting to learn proper English whilst being taught Ebonics.

Originally Posted by prometheus

I've heard lots of Iberian (Spanish, Portuguese and Iberoamerican) members of this board warn about danger of possible Brazilianization of Europe, and the Iberian peninsula in particular.

Since I don't know much about Brazil, I kindly ask: can someone explain to me what that means and what is understood by that? I would also like some articles, whether in English, Spanish or Portuguese, on that topic.

To my understanding, 'Brazilianization' simply refers to the process of mass miscegenation, merging of cultures, and general degeneration of society and all traditional morality.

If you haven't been to Brazil, I highly recommend that you keep on that track. Brazil is a horrid place. Aside from the aforementioned crime epidemic, public nudity, sex, and homosexuality run rampant. It is as if the entire country is one mass orgy of scum that any conservative would find appalling. I was unfortunate enough to make a trip there during Carnaval - it's difficult to explain but I'm sure that any pornographic film would give you an understanding of what the experience is like. What's worse, I've been told that similar 'festivities' have been held in Algarve recently.