Clashes mark Romanian gay pride

[Ferran]

Clashes mark Romanian gay pride

Police used teargas and batons against the protesters

Militant protesters trying to break up a gay rights march in the Romanian capital, Bucharest, have clashed with riot police who made dozens of arrests.

Ten people were reportedly injured in the violence at the GayFest event which saw hundreds of gay rights activists marching against discrimination.

They were also calling for the legalisation of same-sex marriages.

Hundreds of protesters turned out, some throwing eggs, stones and plastic bottles at the marchers.

Correspondents point out that homosexuality is legal in Romania but the public largely accepts the majority Orthodox Christian Church's view that it is a sin.

"Romania does not need you," was one chant heard among the protesters who included Orthodox nuns and a priest brandishing crosses.

Foreign supporters

Earlier, Bishop Ciprian Campineanu told a televised meeting that the Bucharest march was "an outrage to morality and to the family".

In pictures: Bucharest march

Reuters news agency reports that protesters were injured when they clashed with the police, who fired teargas and used batons to hold them at bay.

Gay people from Spain, Britain and Serbia also attended the march, the Associated Press reports.

Ed Rekosh, a US human rights lawyer who attended the march with his wife, said he believed homosexuals should have the same marital rights as heterosexuals.

"If they love each other they should have the same rights as others who love each other," he said.

Homosexuality was fully decriminalised in Romania in 2001 after partial decriminalisation in the 1990s.

The first Bucharest GayFest march took place in 2005 after an initial ban was overturned.



Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5045352.stm

[Seaxiscmann]

That's horrible.. I actually take aoffense to that for I am gay... Ouch

[marius]

Originally Posted by Seaxiscmann

That's horrible.. I actually take aoffense to that for I am gay... Ouch

Are you really?

[tenghri]

homosexuality is a western, imperialist disease that decays the mind- kim jong il. nuff said!

if the fascists, religious conservatives, anarchists, and yes even my fellow socialists are allowed to hold demonstrations and marches, then gay people should be allowed to march as well. i am not a supporter of homosexuality, agreeing to a certain extent with mr jong il but if neo nazis get to hold racist riots, then gay people should be allowed to hold marches in peace.

it'd be funny if they gays fought the neo nazis? who would win? are there more gays or neo nazis? probably more gays, therefore the gays would woop ass!

btw does stirpes allow racism? iv been browsing through the forums, and so far iv encountered just euro-nationalistic and a rather nordid, germanic interpretation of events and nothing really racist but i could be wrong!

[Savage]

Some cultures produces more homosexuality than others.

Heres a list of famous gays, or said to be gays. For the order, I am not on the list, and will not be. I just happends to know that the root chacra corresponds with various intellectual and creative currents, potentials that may be released by certain kinds of stimulation of the muldhattva chakra. Which again may produce great intellectuals and artists. And one do not have to be homosexual to enlight and losen kundalini that way either...

Alexander the Great
*Macedonian Ruler, 300 B.C.
Socrates
*Greek Philosopher, 400 B.C.
Sappho
*Greek Woman Poet, 600 B.C.
Hadrian
*Roman Emperor, 1st-2nd c.
Richard the Lionhearted
*English King, 12th c.
Saladin
*Sultan of Egypt and Syria
Desiderius Erasmus
*Dutch Monk, Philosopher
Francis Bacon
*English statesman, author
Frederick the Great
*King of Prussia
Lord Byron
*English poet, 18th c.
Walt Whitman
*U.S. poet, author, 19th c.
Oscar Wilde
*Irish author, 19th c.
Marcel Proust
*French author, 20th c.
Colette
*French author, 20th c.
Gertrude Stein
*U.S. poet, author, 20th c.
Alice B. Toklas
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Federico Garcia Lorca
*Spanish author, 20th c.
Cole Porter
*U.S. composer, 20th c.
Virginia Woolf
*English author, 20th c.
Leonard Bernstein
*U.S. composer, 20th c.
Pope Julius III
*1550-1555
T.E. Lawrence
*English soldier, author, 20th c.
Jean Cocteau
*French writer, director, 20th c.
Charles Laughton
*English actor, 20th c.
Marguerite Yourcenar
*Belgian author, 20th c.
Tennessee Williams
*U.S. Playwright, 20th c.
James Baldwin
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Andy Warhol
*U.S. artist, 20th c.
Michelangelo
*Italian artist, 15th c.
Leonardo Da Vinci
*Ital. Artist, scientist, 15th c.
Christopher Marlowe
*Eng. Playwright, 16th c.
Herman Melville
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Horatio Alger, Jr.
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Tchaikovsky
*Russian composer, 19th c.
Willa Cather
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Amy Lowell
*U.S. author, 19th & 20th c.
E.M. Forster
*English author, 20th c.
John M. Keynes
*English economist, 20th c.
Ludwig Wittgenstein
*Australian mathematician, 20th c.
Bessie Smith
*U.S. singer, 20th c.
Noel Coward
*English playwright, 20th c.
Christopher Isherwood
*English author, 20th c.
Pier Paolo Pasolini
*Italian film director, 20th c.
Yukio Mishima
*Japanese author, 20th c.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*U.S. stateswoman, 20th c.
Julius Caesar
*Roman Emperor, 100-44 B.C.
Augustus Caesar
*Roman Emperor
Harvey Milk
*U.S. politician, 20th c.
Bayard Rustin
*U.S. Civil Rights activist, 20th c.
James I
*English King, 16th-17th c.
Queen Anne
*English Queen, 18th c.
Marie Antoinette
*French Empress, 18th c.
Melissa Etheridge
*U.S. Rock Star, 20th c.
Pope Benedict IX
*1032-1044
May Sarton
*U.S. author, (1912 - 1995)
Edna Ferber
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Elton John
*English Rock Star, 20th c.
Margaret Fuller
*U.S. writer, educator, 20th c.
Montezuma II
*Aztec ruler, 16th c.
Peter the Great
*Russian Czar, 17th-18th c.
Langston Hughes
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Pope John XII
*955-964
Madame de Stael
*French writer, 17th-18th c.
Martina Navratilova
*U.S. tennis star, 20th c.
Greg Louganis
*U.S. Olympic swimmer, 20th c.
Billie Jean King
*U.S. tennis star, 20th c.
Roberta Achtenburg
*U.S. politician, 20th c.
Barney Frank
*U.S. Congressman, 20th c.
Gerry Studds
*U.S. Congressman, 20th c.
Hans Christian Andersen
*Danish author, 19th c.
Tom Dooley
*U.S. M.D. missionary, 20th c.
J. Edgar Hoover
*U.S. director of the FBI., 20th c.
Frida Kahlo
*Mexican artist, 20th c.
Suleiman the Magnificent
*Ottoman ruler, 15th c.
Rock Hudson
*U.S. actor, 20th c.
Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
*Mexican author, 16th c.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Candace Gingrich
*Gay Rights activist, 20th c.
Margarethe Cammermeyer
*U.S. Army Colonel, 20th c.
Zoe Dunning
*U.S. Military Reservist, 20th c.
Tom Waddel
*U.S. M.D., Olympic star, 20th c.
Kate Millet
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Janis Joplin
*U.S. singer, 20th c.
Rudolf Nuryev
*Russian dancer, 20th c.
Waslaw Nijinsky
*Russian dancer, 20th c.
Ernst Röhm
*German Nazi leader, 20th c.
Dag Hammerskjold
*Swedish UN Secretary, 209th c.
Aristotle
*Greek philosopher, 384-322 B.C.
Paula Gunn Allen
*Native American author, 20th c.
Angela Davis
*U.S. political activist, 20th c.
June Jordan
*U.S. author, activist, 20th c.
Rainer Maria Rilke
*German poet, 20th c.
James Dean
*U.S. actor, 20th c.
Montgomery Clift
*U.S. actor, 20th c.
Baron VonSteuben
*German General, Valley Forge
Edward II
*English King, 14th c.

[Savage]

Another thing...
The sensitive gays are normally much more anti foreighn cultural immigration than the rest of the population. So their intellects and creativity are very good support in the battle of Europe.

Accepting and respecting homosexuals as they are, is not the same as condoning homosexual couples adopting children. I do not doubt homosexuals generally ablity to love, and to be responsible and respectable citizens, but I stick to that kids needs a mommy and a daddy to get more or less balanced impulses from 2 parents and of both sexes.

When it comes to foreighn cultural children, a white gay couple would however be a better alternative than starbing to death. But we can of course not import 3.world kids here for that reason, such had to occure abroad.

[marius]

As a Romanian, I say that everyone should have his/her own right to express his/her sexuality. Making a parade out of this, ok, may be considered a bit out-of-line, but why not?

Anyway, I think I would never be convinced this kind of sexuality is absolutely normal, but one should not outcast other people, just because of the fact they are gay.

I think it is as simple as that.

[Aeternitas]

Well I think this violence is uncivilized hooliganism even if I don't think highly of homosexuality, but I don't think it's the protesters alone who are at fault for such attitudes. Some folks may still be influenced by the previous attitude towards gays, I mean gays in Romania have been given rights only fairly recently. People weren't probably used to see such types of parades on the streets.

Article 200 (Articolul 200 in Romanian) was a controversial section of Romania\'s Penal Code that criminalised homosexual relationships. It was introduced during the regime of dictator Nicolae Ceauşescu, and remained in force until it was repealed by the Năstase government on 22 June 2001. Under pressure from the Council of Europe, it was amended on 14 November 1996, when homosexual sex in private between two consenting adults was decriminalised. However, the amended Article 200 continued to criminalise same-sex relationships if they were displayed publicly or caused a "public scandal". It also continued to ban the promotion of homosexual activities. Until it was repealed completely in 2001, the article was seen as the last Romanian law that discriminated against gays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_200

Religious people don't approve of homosexuality, as don't those who still carry some influence from the communist regime. Rightwingers frequently disciminate against homosexuals as well - so me thinks they will still have a hard time being accepted, at least for the time being.

[tenghri]

why are all these people westerners? its coz only the west would document such stuff. you placed too much emphasis on americans! there was a famously gay guy in the Nazi party, what's his name i forgot!

[Savage]

Originally Posted by tenghri

why are all these people westerners? its coz only the west would document such stuff. you placed too much emphasis on americans! there was a famously gay guy in the Nazi party, what's his name i forgot!

Perhaps Ernst Röhm?

[Agrippa]

Concerning the list, where do you have it from?

[Galaico]

Most of the Classic Greeks and Romans in the list were not homosexual in the way we see them today, they were more sexually corrupted into a bisexual direction.

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by tenghri

btw does stirpes allow racism? iv been browsing through the forums, and so far iv encountered just euro-nationalistic and a rather nordid, germanic interpretation of events and nothing really racist but i could be wrong!

Just read the rules:
6 (a). We allow fair and benevolent criticism of all races; subraces; ethnicities; peoples; religious, cultural and social communities; as well as of ideologies; philosophies; or any other ideas; as well as of persons and Members; attitudes; and conduct, if presented in a civil and non-insulting manner. Your attitude and presentation shall determine whether you will face disciplinary procedures.

http://forum.stirpes.net/rules.php?show=generic

And of course we are nationalistic, that's why we are here for.

while you are at it: read this as well: http://forum.stirpes.net/rules.php?show=about

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Concerning the list, where do you have it from?

Source of questioned list

check also this google search

Also Umberto Eco`s book " The Name of the Rose" gives some interesting insight in unspoken or silenced traditions within the Church. Recommended..

[pancone]

About 1000 members and sympathizers of Noua Dreapta (New Right) organized Saturday the 3rd of June, a “March for Normality”, in response to the gay parade that took place later that day in Bucharest and in support to the traditional values of the Romanian nation. New Right’s militants started the march at 11 o’clock in front of the Patriarchy Cathedral, with banners and signs against homosexuality, and marched on trough Bucharest’s center. Viewers on the sidewalks and at the building windows showed their support to the participants’ messages and speeches, cheering and acclaiming them. During the march, as well as in the final speeches, Noua Dreapta spoke firmly against homosexuality propaganda, homosexual marriage rights and children adoptions.
Later that day, the homosexuals’ parade was stopped earlier by the police, because of security reasons. During the parade, thousand of citizens shouted to the marching crowd in disapproval and threw object in the marching transvestites, forcing the police to a early ending of the parade.
Noua Dreapta also denounced in court the legal aspect of the gay parade, but a judge decided that the parade is no offense to the moral values of the nations or to public common-sense. The later incidents during the gay parade, started by common people and viewers showed exactly the opposite and there are doubts that there will be such a disgraceful and shameful parade next year.
More pictures:
http://www.europeannationalfront.org/?p=29
http://www.nouadreapta.org/actiuni_p...re.php?idx=113
Video here:
http://www.nouadreapta.org/actiuni_p...re.php?idx=115

[Errigal]

I find these signs so strange. I understand they are against vulgarity and sexual preversion being displayed in the street, but why do they chose to protest by carrying a cartoon of one man sodomising another? Weird.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/5045412.stm

[pancone]

The cartoons are against homosexuality. These signs are very populare all over Europe.
Look here (just a few examples):
http://www.tusovka.lt/viewtopic.php?t=18595
http://www.szmata.com/?p=215
http://www.czarlij.neostrada.pl/foto...edalowania.jpg
http://zakaz.pedalowania.patrz.pl/
http://www.nop.org.pl/?artykul_id=144