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Wednesday, April 5th, 2006
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Spain will 'not be a Catholic country within 20 years'
Spain will 'not be a Catholic country within 20 years'
5 April 2006 MADRID — For the first time ever, a majority of young Spaniards said they did not consider themselves Catholics, according to a new survey. The survey, by the Fundacion Santa Maria, said many felt a mounting distrust of the the Roman Catholic Church and growing disbelief in God, the Spanish daily El Pais reported. The authors of the survey said its results indicate that within a generation Spain will no longer be a Catholic country, as this generation's children will not be brought up as believers. The survey polled Spaniards between 15 and 24 six times between 1984. It found that last year only 49 percent said they were were practising or non-practising Catholics. In comparison, a previous survey, in 1996, found 77 percent of respondents said they would describe themselves Catholics. Now, 46 percent said they felt they were agnostics, atheists or simply indifferent to religion – and 45 percent said they did not believe in God. Part of the huge drop in support for the Church was its failure to adapt to modern times, say sociologists. Juan González Anleo, one of the authors of the report the Church's "unpopular" stance on issues like the legalisation of homosexual marriage, abortion or sexual practices have alienated younger people. The survey found the Catholic Church is the least trusted of any institution, including multi-national companies and NATO. One in eight said it was excessively wealthy. But 43 percent said they wanted a Church wedding, compared with 22 percent who would like a civil ceremony. [Copyright Expatica] Source: http://www.expatica.com/source/site_...in+20+years%27
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"Do not be suprised, my friend, that I long so much for remote lands in which people feel immensely rich with very little; it is true that I live in Rome enjoying a life of fame and prestige, but it is also true that I was born from Celts and Iberians." --Marcus Valerius Martialis, Epigrammata 
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Thursday, April 6th, 2006
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Re: Spain will 'not be a Catholic country within 20 years'
When I started discovering about the decay of catholic values within the borders of Spain, I felt kind of bad about it. I grew up around a lot of Spaniards and I always associated catholicism with Spain real well since all Spaniards I have met tend to be proud Catholics. But why excactly is this happening?that's what still gets me..
how did guys like Zapatero get up?how did just everything got to where it is today?
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"I failed my metaphysics exam when my teacher caught me looking into the soul of the boy next to me" Some find it in a flag, some in the beat of a drum Some with a book, and some with a gun Some in a kiss, and some on the march But if you're looking for Europe, best look in your heart -Sol Invictus
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Monday, April 10th, 2006
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Re: Spain will 'not be a Catholic country within 20 years'
I can understand your surprise, but for someone that on the last 10 years has been seeing how an important part of our youth moved from the "I believe in the One upon us, but not in the ones below Him" to the "I hope there were no [insert random disqualification here] religions in the world", it's not surprising at all. And while Zapatero and the last decades of his party are to blame for some issues concerning Catholicism (the banning of its teaching on public schools, the support of the construction of Mosques, the extirpation of the statue of Santiago Matamoros from the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela, etc.), it's also true that they are only opening the Trojan horse some liberals/freemasons installed during the XIX and early XX centuries, an exhaustive work nearly materialized on 1931 with the proclamation of the II Republic (fortunately stopped six years later) and the (in)famous speech of Manuel Azaña, in which among other things, he coined the phrase "España ha dejado de ser católica" (Spain is no more Catholic), affirmation certainly exaggerated I might add, although it's also true that urban centres such as Madrid, Barcelona and València were 40%/50% atheists then, that's why some people considered the uprising of the Nationals in the Spanish Civil War as a crusade to re-catholicize Spain.
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"Do not be suprised, my friend, that I long so much for remote lands in which people feel immensely rich with very little; it is true that I live in Rome enjoying a life of fame and prestige, but it is also true that I was born from Celts and Iberians." --Marcus Valerius Martialis, Epigrammata Last edited by Ferran; Monday, April 10th, 2006 at 15:24.
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Monday, April 10th, 2006
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Re: Spain will 'not be a Catholic country within 20 years'
The problem is compounded because the Church itself (The Vatican) has been infiltrated and gone weak. In all Catholic countries, we cannot even look to the Church for support. I read somewhere that after Vatican II it was decreed by Rome that no country was to be officially Catholic (ie have it taught as the state religion), yet Franco resisted this. Is that true?
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Monday, April 10th, 2006
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This has become rarity, sadly.
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People's attitdes have changed as well. Several decades ago, the priest knew all his parishoners and he was welcomed into their homes. Now, it feels more like he is intruding and he barely knows most of the people anyway.
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Monday, April 10th, 2006
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My father has shared stories like this before too. Like before, the priest was everyone's best friend and he really tried to help the community, and whenever, there was some sort of issue, he would try to solve issues for people.
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"I failed my metaphysics exam when my teacher caught me looking into the soul of the boy next to me" Some find it in a flag, some in the beat of a drum Some with a book, and some with a gun Some in a kiss, and some on the march But if you're looking for Europe, best look in your heart -Sol Invictus
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It's the small donation that grinds my gears... I was used to see people giving whatever they felt like, some used to give more, some less.
For instance, I once had to send the priest -- bloody Vatican II supporter! -- away from my home. He went there for Easter, as usual, but he was actually demanding us to pay him, and he even set the amount he wanted to receive. It's just hilarious, it is something that one will never ever think of.
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Tuesday, April 11th, 2006
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"I failed my metaphysics exam when my teacher caught me looking into the soul of the boy next to me" Some find it in a flag, some in the beat of a drum Some with a book, and some with a gun Some in a kiss, and some on the march But if you're looking for Europe, best look in your heart -Sol Invictus
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Tuesday, April 11th, 2006
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In Croatia it's a tradition after Christmas that priests go around houses and give blessings to the home(for 'three kings'). So everyone makes a small donation, etc....anyway my mother one year put a 50KN(Croatian Kuna) in an envelope which is about little less than 10 euroes....not much but hey imagine if everyone gave as much and how many houses are there and then figure out how much money can they gather just in one day. Anyway the priest was displeased and demanded more!!! I've heard others had similar experience...one priest in my uncle's parish even said to the men who had less than three children that they are no men at all!! My uncle has two children. My grandfather was denied proper burial and priest didn't even attend at his burial because of some ridiculous personal dispute of my grandfather with some other parish members!!! Imagine that...a priest not attending his duties due to lobbying of a grup of grumpy old women who didn't liked my grandfather! In short they act is if the Church is their personal thing not a public organization that should benefit all. All that plus what I have learned about Christinaity in general lately made me to abandon Catholicism and Christianity...I believe in god or some supreme power but one will never see me in church ever again....save as a tourist. IMO places like woods or parks have more presence of god than church will ever...
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Tuesday, April 11th, 2006
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You guys have some really crappy priests.
You should all come over here sometime and see how it should be done 
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Tuesday, April 11th, 2006
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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