Germany's demographic situation

[Nerthus]

Germany's falling birth rate is a source of some national alarm

Sandwiched between short-term unemployment woes and steadily declining birth rates, Germany has only gradually set about tackling its population problems.

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[Theobald]

European demography - The awful German situation

When we speak of France, Germany, Russia, or Europe as a whole, we think that these nations are eternal. When geopoliticians try to predict 21th century's trends and events, they think that these entities, these countries will still exist, say in 2040; as they existed in 1930.

Well, that's not that obvious. A nation is totally dependent on its demography and can very quickly disappear if there are an indigenous fall in the birth rate and a massive immigration at the same time. A civilization is based on a people, an ethnic germen. Let's analyze for instance Germany's situation, the first European economic power.

Total fertility rate has fallen, from 2.3 in 1960 to 1.2 (and 0.9 in East Germany) today. A real suicide : in 1999, there were 800,000 births (including non-Germans) for 300,000 abortions. Without them the German birthrate would be 35% higher. In the Sixties, nobody thought that these dramatic problems of depopulation would happen. Nowadays, some districts are only inhabitated by old people and schools have disappeared. Totally mad, the baby-boom generation has benefitted from the economic growth until 1973 but has not made children; they even supported the massive arrival of non-European immigrants. Their old days are going to be terrible.

In Dortmund (600,000 inhabitants) only 5,000 German children were born in 2002. By 2010 this city will only be 60% German - and mostly inhabited by old "indigenous" people - due to the loss of a fifth of the population, hardly compensated by migrants. Dortmund's youth will be 70% non-European (Turks, Africans, Asians, ...). Frankfurt and Stuttgart will be mainly non-European as soon as 2030. In 2012 20-40 years old foreigners will be 46% of Duisburg's population, without taking into account 0-20 years old non-Europeans. In Berlin 0-20 years old foreigners will be 52% in 2013. At the end of 21th country Ethnic Germans' population would have fallen from 75 millions to 22. With these trends Germany - as well as most of Western Europe - will obviously be a Third World country

Sociologists Meinhard Miegel and Stephanie Wahl forecast that German cultural, religious and linguistic identity is going to be totally destroyed during this century. Germany's "programmed disappearance" is completely ignored by politicians, who are acting as insane sleepwalkers. To avoid depopulation and economical chaos, UNO recommends 500,000 immigrants per annum, no less ! And Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung approves it.

Integration and assimilation are total failures. One can only integrate little minorities, not crowds. German Nation is disappearing before our eyes; there is a change of people. Walking in large cities is enough to see it. 75% of the Turks (naturalized or not, from the first to the fourth generation) regard this country only as an "economical Fatherland", still consider themselves as Turks and Muslims and watch only Turkish TV. Out of 800,000 annual births, only 278,000 are Christian (1998 datas). That is to say a terrifying proportion of 35%.

According to Rainer Munz, a demographist, Germany will have 14.2 million foreigners in 2030, without taking into account non-European people with German citizenship and people with "double nationality". Even if immigration was stopped today (and without expulsions) Islam would still be majoritary in 2030, because of its greater total fertility rate. As in France, Belgium, ...

A study of the young Muslims in Germany realized by the sociologist Wilhelm Heitmayer in 1997 showed that :

- 33% of them want to increase Islamic presence and influence in Germany

- 36% consider themselves as "militant" and are willing to use violence against "Infidels".

When in 2030 someone will cross the Rhine river, will it be the border between Maghreb and Turkey ? In order not to despair, let's quote an article of Dominique Venner ("History never ends") :

"Unthinkable things can - even though nobody really believes in it - happen. Before 1962 the expulsion of one million Frenchmen from Algeria was unthinkable. Later, it was the arrival of several millions Algerians in France. Today an unthinkable thing would be to see these people coming back to their homeland. Let's remember from the past that unthinkable things can - one day - become reality."

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[Strengthandhonour]

That is pretty insane and tragic. Things in Italy are just as bad, I don't understand what the big deal is. Is it so hard to settle down with a good looking girl that you care for and have a child? Something drastic has to happen, a cultural revolution that will promote the giving of life so that people can become more aware of this(I am sure most are..they just don't give a damn)..

[Nerthus]

I remember reading this in French some time ago...

Anyway, there are 10-11 million unemployed [or whatever the unofficial figures are in Germany] and even if one is lucky to have a job, there is also the child daycare problem. Germany also has an agining population, which makes it worse for the future.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

Things in Italy are just as bad

Yes, it's true for Italian demographic situation (Italy's population would slump from 57 to 43 million by 2050) but are immigration issues in Italy as important ? I mean, excepted in some North Italian cities (Milano, ...), I've seen far less non-Europeans in Italy than in France or in important German cities...

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

Is it so hard to settle down with a good looking girl that you care for and have a child?

So "bad-looking" women should not have children ?

[Strengthandhonour]

Originally Posted by Theobald

Yes, it's true for Italian demographic situation (Italy's population would slump from 57 to 43 million by 2050) but are immigration issues in Italy as important ? I mean, excepted in some North Italian cities (Milano, ...), I've seen far less non-Europeans in Italy than in France or in important German cities...



So "bad-looking" women should not have children ?

haha you misunderstood me, I meant that a girl that you find pretty, I mean that can be a bad-looking woman but she can look good to you.
But anyways, the immigrant situation mainly rules in the main cities like Milano,Genova,etc. I know in Rome there is an amount, but they mainly live in the slums.
In the south the situation is pretty decent. Only in Napoli and Palermo are things pretty bad, but in the smaller cities things don't seem to be bad at all compared to most European countries. You see a lot of fascist/nationalist grafiti all over the south, specially at stadiums.

[Ferran]

Last year I have seen a students' German orchestra playing in our municipal theatre, and I must confess I was quite surprised to see they were all (or at least looked like) German, I guess "new Germans" aren't much fond of these musical traditions, but it's still quite odd, since this multiculturalization process gets bigger generation after generation and they were around 75 young musicians. Anyway, was nice to see that and that they played so good, although I think reality could be something more in the line of the SpiceGirls-like group called No Angels, where only two (?) singers are German.

[Nerthus]

Germany's Population Problems No Longer Taboo

Germany has a birth rate of just 1.4 percent

The German government wants to combat the falling birth rate with better family policies. Tainted by controversial associations during the Nazi era, the issue was all but taboo until a few years ago.

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