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Do the Jews have a right to claim Israel? Which mean by tradition and history. The Hindus in India claims to the subjected to the Islamic terror which will never accept by non Arabs, or non Islamic state at any price which is true. So does that mean that the Jews have the right to make such a claim
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The claim of the Jews to Palestine is based solely on religion (ie. God granted the land to Moses and his people), not on any traditional ties of modern Jews to the land. The Ashkenazic Jews, who make the majority of the world's Jewish population, did not originate in the Middle East and at the time of the ancient Hebrews they were likely living around the Black Sea region. The Ashkenzic Jews themselves claim to be descendents of the ancient Khazars who were converted to Judiasm after the diaspora from Palestine. Genetics reveal them to have been orginally a Turkic people who migrated west into Europe, so this seems to be verified fact. They are not, however, a semitic people. Only the minority Sephardic Jews can make this claim. And even then, that is not the same as saying they are direct ancestors of the ancient Hebrews.

One can see this in effect today. Even a convert to Judaism immediately is granted the right of settlement in Israel, even if their ancestors previosuly never set foot in the place. They are given a right to live there by mere fact of the religion they profess. Thus several years ago, a group of Peruvians who converted to Judaism emigrated to Israel and were immediately given legal and financial aid and protection to re-settle. Contrast that to the Muslim Palestinians who are reduced to Apartheid like "Homelands" (West Bank & Gaza Strip), and enjoy no such legal protection or privileges.

So, the only claim to the land on the part of the Jews is solely a religious one.
Can you imagine if a European country said that only Christians had the right to settle in their lands. There would be an outcry. But as with most things, there is one set of rules for the Chosenites and another for the goyim
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Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation.
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Hmm its is true, If a Russian Jews were granted rights by the Israel goverment, so does the Arabs has civil and political rights. Because they been living in the Isreal before 1948. I think the Jews should be happy because Isreal is a '' State'' and compare to the Holocut genocide which lasted for 3 years, The poor Arabs of the Palestine been living in opression without any political voice. It's time for a reality check, it doen't matter who prommised at the Balfour Deceleration of the 1917! latter to 1948. Palestine issue tearing the country apart, and its rather sad.

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edit: I get it.
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