Jews and American Renaissance

[Menydh]

An article by Jared Taylor, extracted from American Renaissance's site. Yet another approach of WNs to Jews, and another admittance of the Judaic spirit of America..

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Jews and American Renaissance

I started American Renaissance 17 years ago in order to awaken whites to the crisis they face and to encourage them to unite in defending their legitimate interests as a race. To these ends, AR has deliberately avoided taking positions on questions about which racially-conscious whites are likely to disagree. Some of these have been foreign policy, abortion, the role of homosexuals in a white consciousness movement, and whether Christianity helps or hinders our efforts. By taking no position, AR has served readers who may be sharply opposed on these questions but who agree on the central importance of race, and are committed to our survival.


AR has likewise taken no explicit position on Jewish matters. Readers have always included both Jews and people who believe Jews play no useful role in a movement that promotes white interests. It has been my intent to emphasize questions crucial to our interests and on which we agree.


To put it more accurately, AR has taken an implicit position on Jews by publishing Jewish authors and inviting Jewish speakers to AR conferences. It should be clear to anyone that Jews have, from the outset, been welcome and equal participants in our efforts. There has always been a minority in the AR constituency that has criticized me and AR for welcoming Jews, and there has been another minority that has criticized me and AR for not denouncing the first minority. These groups have generally treated each other with polite reserve, and expressed their bitterness only among themselves or to me—as was proper.


There are other divisions within AR. There are Christians and atheists, Democrats and Republicans, evolutionists and creationists, and advocates of different foreign policies. There has been tension within AR on these questions, but always good manners.


That changed at the most recent American Renaissance conference. At least one participant told a Jewish conferee that Jews were not welcome. One participant well known for strong views rose to denounce Jews as the historic enemy of the European people. Another called him “a f***ing Nazi,”

and stormed out of the conference hall.


There will be no more disgraceful behavior of this kind if people who attend AR conferences bear in mind that Jews have a valuable role in the work of American Renaissance, and are welcome participants and speakers. Anyone who thinks otherwise has the choice of staying home or keeping his views to himself.


AR does not, on the other hand, have litmus tests for subscribers or conference participants. There will always be disagreement and debate in our ranks on many issues, including the role Jews may or may not have played in creating the crisis we face. Some people in the AR community believe Jewish influence was decisive in destroying the traditional American consensus on race. Others disagree.


Gentile whites—without help from anyone else—have repeatedly shown themselves capable of egalitarian excess. The French Revolution, the Clapham abolitionists, John Brown and his backers, the miscegenist enthusiasms of the Grimke sisters and other radical integrationists are all products of purely gentile delusion. Even if it were possible to prove that Jewish influence derailed what used to be a healthy American racial consciousness, that is a historical question not directly relevant to what we must accomplish now.


Today, even groups that openly resist Jewish influence are deeply liberal-egalitarian. In 2005, the Presbyterian Church angered many Jewish groups by voting to divest itself of stock in companies it considered to be supporting injustice against Palestinians. In 2006, the Church of England voted to do the same. These churches are prepared to ignore the wishes of many Jewish organizations, yet their members are as relentlessly suicidal on race as any group in either country. Whatever its origins may have been—and they are hardly exclusively Jewish—white ethnomasochism has a life and momentum of its own.


The role of Jews in a society, the morality of abortion, the influence of Christianity, the appropriate foreign policy, and the place of homosexuals should all be discussed openly in a free society, all in their appropriate places. AR is not that place. We cannot afford dissension that distracts us from our goal.


We have vital work to do. Our civilization, our way of life, even our continuity as a distinct people depend on whether we succeed or fail. It is a distraction from our proper work to hunt for culprits, to blame others for our own loss of will.


We may still be a small minority, but we have history, human nature, and morality on our side. Success for us lies in demonstrating that our views are right, healthy and moral—and that liberal-egalitarianism is wrong and immoral; not in trying to “unmask” it as a Jewish conspiracy.


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[Menydh]

I question that Americans can be called Gentiles.

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"The story of the Jewish people in America is a story of America itself. The pilgrims considered this nation a new Israel, a refuge from persecution in Europe. Jewish Americans have made countless contributions to our land"

--George W. Bush. September 15, 2005--


"Don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."

--Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to Minister of Foreign Affairs Shimon Peres--

[Gladstone]

Jared Taylor is a product of the American Establishment. If it was not for Taylor's questioning a few of the tenants of that establishment, namely his belief that distinct peoples do exist both physically and culturally, he himself would probably be a part of the establishment as one of its elites.

To give a bit of background regarding Taylor, he is a graduate of Yale University, a university that was in existance before the Revolution....this is the same university that George Bush Sr and Junior, John Kerry, and Bill Clinton, and many of the other elites graduated from.

Below is Yale's official seal...

which was designed by it's president in the 1700's, Ezra Stiles. Stiles gave this speech in 1783 to the Governor and legislature of Connecticut, where he referred to the United States as "God's American Israel".

http://www.irish-nationalism.net/for...ead.php?t=5339

What's probably needed, among other things, is the complete and utter overthrow of the elites who rule the US, and the destruction of the secret societies many of them belong to, as well as a very complete examination of the principles the US was founded on...to start from scratch as it were. Taylor does not seem willing to do such things, but seems more inlined to reform within the system....this would be sort of like someone wishing to partly reform Communism, which would not work, as the system itself is corrupt to its core and is not reformable.

[Herac]

When AmRen interviewed Alain De Benoist (a pagan) they made everything as possible to refuse questions about paganism.

The problem is not their americanism, the problem with AmRen and USA in general is their christianity.

[Menydh]

Herac, I'm not very keen on Alain de Benoist myself. Not for his Pagan beliefs which I find some sort of exotic new age hippy thing, but for many of his ideas on Pan-Europeanism which reject the evolution from primitive tribalism into the high status of nationhood, denying the principle of full national sovereignty.

Other ideas may be interesting and even evolutionaries if compared to Traditional Nationalism. However, these are chapters which are lying on erred foundations.

As for your comment on American christianity, I sincerely hope that you are able to see the difference between American pseudo-christianity sectism and true Christianity and Christendom.

This above comment does not imply any apology for the status of Christianism today, since the Catholic Church has finally been infiltrated by Freemasons and in my opinion the institution is no longer the repository of Christian European spirituality that it has been through the ages. Not that the Lutheran churches have ever been any better. Perhaps the Eastern Orthodox Church..

[Menydh]

Gladstone, excellent exposure.

Originally Posted by Gladstone

Jared Taylor is a product of the American Establishment. If it was not for Taylor's questioning a few of the tenants of that establishment, namely his belief that distinct peoples do exist both physically and culturally, he himself would probably be a part of the establishment as one of its elites.

To give a bit of background regarding Taylor, he is a graduate of Yale University, a university that was in existance before the Revolution....this is the same university that George Bush Sr and Junior, John Kerry, and Bill Clinton, and many of the other elites graduated from.

Below is Yale's official seal...

which was designed by it's president in the 1700's, Ezra Stiles. Stiles gave this speech in 1783 to the Governor and legislature of Connecticut, where he referred to the United States as "God's American Israel".

http://www.irish-nationalism.net/for...ead.php?t=5339

It is no surprise. Chosenitism has always been present in Americans through the belief of being the New Israel. Which they are. To the extent that the concepts of WASP and its offshot WN are a followup to that mentality.

This belief takes its roots in its Anglo-Saxon origins:

British-Israelism is not the name of an organization, but the name of an historical movement that has organizational manifestation in the U.S. and Europe today. The key idea of British-Israelism, also referred to as Anglo-Israelism, is that Great Britain is the geographical home of the lost tribes of Israel. The immediate implication of this belief is that it identifies the present day Anglo-Saxon people as God's Chosen People.

Scholars differ in their placement of British-Israelism's origin. Some scholars attribute the beginnings of British-Israelite beliefs to the Puritans of the 1600s, for the Puritans claimed to be the spiritual descendants of the ancient Israelites. Others assert that the idea precipitated from a Dr. Abade of Amsterdam when he allegedly wrote in 1723, "Unless the ten tribes have flown into the air...they must be sought for in the north and west, and in the British Isles" ( Orr ).

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No need to remind here that Puritans, as all other Calvinist sects, is an attempt of judaicing the society of the Gentiles through the judaisation of Christianity.

Other than that, the whole idea is clearly masonic. See here: http://www.britishisrael.co.uk/

I should get my hands on the latest books on Freemasons written by the Spanish scholar and expert in Freemasons, Ricardo de la Cierva.

What's probably needed, among other things, is the complete and utter overthrow of the elites who rule the US, and the destruction of the secret societies many of them belong to, as well as a very complete examination of the principles the US was founded on...to start from scratch as it were.

You are right, but I see a small contradiction too in your last words. You are right in acknowledging that it is the principles upon which the US was founded that are rotten. But then you say that it would need to start from scratch as it were.

The problem is that it was never anything different... from the beginning, from its foundations. Judaism has been present in America since the first day. Be it through the West Indies Dutch Company and its Jewish owners even before the English set a foot there, the English Puritans, or many others.

Taylor does not seem willing to do such things, but seems more inlined to reform within the system....this would be sort of like someone wishing to partly reform Communism, which would not work, as the system itself is corrupt to its core and is not reformable.

Is not only the system that is corrupt to its core, and thus not reformable. It is also the society that is rotten at its foundations, as I've argued above.

[Herac]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Herac, I'm not very keen on Alain de Benoist myself. Not for his Pagan beliefs which I find some sort of exotic new age hippy thing, but for many of his ideas on Pan-Europeanism which reject the evolution from primitive tribalism into the high status of nationhood, denying the principle of full national sovereignty.

Yes... an opinion is an opinion, I disagree but I respect yours.

As for your comment on American christianity, I sincerely hope that you are able to see the difference between American pseudo-christianity sectism and true Christianity and Christendom.

Yes, I can. Simply because the christianity in here is equal in Europe, and christianity in USA is something far different and histeric. That's why I said that the problem is their christianity, in which America was founded and raised.

That doesn't mean that I accept christianity, but I agree that the European way is better than that scandal that happens in USA, no doubt.


May I ask you, what's "Traditio Hispanica", that fits your profile? Catholic hispanic tradition or the ancient pagan faith?

[svin]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

This above comment does not imply any apology for the status of Christianism today, since the Catholic Church has finally been infiltrated by Freemasons and in my opinion the institution is no longer the repository of Christian European spirituality that it has been through the ages. Not that the Lutheran churches have ever been any better. Perhaps the Eastern Orthodox Church..

Orthodox Church (of Moscow jurisdiction) has betrayed its Folk when declared in 1927 paper that called Russians to cooperate with communists.

In 1918 patriarch Tikhon anathemized all communist collaborators, after him patriarch Serhiy issued paper in 1927, this fact led to separation of Russian Church into two pieces (Russian Orthodox Church abroad and Russian Orthodox Church of Moscow jurisdiction).

So, nowadays Moscow Orthodox Church is follower of Serhiy and other communist collaborators.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Herac

Yes... an opinion is an opinion, I disagree but I respect yours.

Surely everyone has an opinion. What I'm not sure is where you disagree with me and why.

Yes, I can. Simply because the christianity in here is equal in Europe, and christianity in USA is something far different and histeric. That's why I said that the problem is their christianity, in which America was founded and raised.

Yes. They should think about renaming it into something like the histerical raving moon show.

May I ask you, what's "Traditio Hispanica", that fits your profile? Catholic hispanic tradition or the ancient pagan faith?

You may. It wouldn't make sense to pretend that there was one unitary ancient pagan belief in Iberia. There were different areas influence through aculturation of movements or migrations, be it from Celts, Iberians, or others.

Unless one considers the spiritual beliefs of the Paleolithics, which anyway little is known about except of a common belief in a matrilineal or matriarchal represented by a mother-earth or mother-goddess.

Both the Paleo-European and the newer Indo-European influences were in some way or another, and to some extent, collected into the new Christian faith.

However I don't find this Traditio Hispanica in the modern Catholic Church, nor even in the Traditionalists of Lefevbre. So, basically, I choose to stay in limbo.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by svin

Orthodox Church (of Moscow jurisdiction) has betrayed its Folk when declared in 1927 paper that called Russians to cooperate with communists.

Yes, that was a well known fact.

In 1918 patriarch Tikhon anathemized all communist collaborators, after him patriarch Serhiy issued paper in 1927, this fact led to separation of Russian Church into two pieces (Russian Orthodox Church abroad and Russian Orthodox Church of Moscow jurisdiction).

So, nowadays Moscow Orthodox Church is follower of Serhiy and other communist collaborators.

I ignored this last part.

[Gladstone]

That is interesting about the British Israelism thing. Most of the sources do speak of it seeming to start in the mid-nineteenth century (ie 1840's) but as with Dr. Ezra Stiles of Yale who spoke of it in detail in 1783 it can be seen to be much earlier..as the two other sources referencing the Puritans of 1600's and the Dr Abade of Amsterdam in the 1700's you mention allude to.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You are right in acknowledging that it is the principles upon which the US was founded that are rotten. But then you say that it would need to start from scratch as it were.

A bit of a translation error on that. "As it were" in this instance is not referencing the past but is rather a figure of speech reconfirming the earlier part of the sentence that was prior to it. With or without the three words ("as it were") after "scratch" the sentence would have meant the same.

"The story of the Jewish people in America is a story of America itself. The pilgrims considered this nation a new Israel, a refuge from persecution in Europe. Jewish Americans have made countless contributions to our land". George Bush

Yes, a curious quote by George Bush. Probably got that mindset somehow from his education at Yale.

[Merlin]

You are right in acknowledging that it is the principles upon which the US was founded that are rotten. But then you say that it would need to start from scratch as it were.

Originally Posted by Gladstone

A bit of a translation error on that. "As it were" in this instance is not referencing the past but is rather a figure of speech reconfirming the earlier part of the sentence that was prior to it. With or without the three words ("as it were") after "scratch" the sentence would have meant the same.

Respectfully, the phrase "... as it were" has a conventional meaning, serving to point out that "from scratch" is not to be taken literally. Perhaps a comma would served to mark this as well as to show a pause in the reading.

Interesting thread. Does anyone know the meaning of the Hebrew characters on the Yale seal? Could they also mean "light and truth", and is there a particular allusion being made?

[Savage]

Unfortunately the american jews have had for so long time free arms to infiltrate the USamerican society on all levels, so it may all be considered pestilenced, and should be treated like bacteria, when importing impulses from it here.

The difference I see between american jews and american christians are nominal, american christians has times ago become semi-jews, or rather spirtual jews.

First these existents claim to have all rights to the north american soil, regardless the fact that they stole it from those that lived there before. And they threat the natives respectless, and these hemburgerchewing existents consider themselves superior too the native indians!!!!

Second, these of course own the European heritage more than anybody else, they also know Germanic and Norse traditions better, and seems to consider themselves as the legal inherits of a treasure from the other side of the planet???

Like other jews, they have spezialised in forging and stealing other nations and peoples heritage.

They may have European parents, or grandparents but an american is still an amercian to me, their herititage is General Custer, John Wayne, McDonald and coca-cola and hollywood, what do I know, or even care??? All more or less worthless crap. I do not say that their "heritage" is inferior, but it is different from European, and marks their individual spirits distinct.

American jews/christians have generally NO share in our heritage, but are thieves, out to steal and forge it. And they cant help it as they live in a cultural vacuum, like vampires they are bound to suck anything with substance and vitality from others.

Of course the americans has a basic existential identification problem, but that is their problem, not ours.

[Merlin]

Herr Hund,

I have seen that headline from the Daily Express in March 1933 before.

What does the news story say?