A case of Zionism and WN Racism

[Delbrück]

University lecturers have voted to boycott two of Israel's eight universities over their alleged complicity with Israeli persecution of Palestinians.

The Association of University Teachers voted to sever links with Haifa University and Bar Ilan University, accusing them of colluding in a system of "apartheid" that victimised Palestinians and anyone who opposed the Israeli state.

There were cheers as the two motions were passed. But the 200-strong audience rejected a call to boycott the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, which is accused of demolishing Palestinian homes in order to expand its campus. Delegates instead voted for a decision to be postponed to allow for an investigation.
http://education.independent.co.uk/n...p?story=632238








I wonder whether those pro-Arab (and perhaps in the closet anti semites) leftists would ever do the same to Chinese or Russian universities. Hypocrites.

[Theobald]

They should boycott all the Israeli universities, not only two. Cowards.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Delbrück

I wonder whether those pro-Arab (and perhaps in the closet anti semites) leftists would ever do the same to Chinese or Russian universities. Hypocrites.

I don't see it as being Anti-Semitic(tm). Not all Israelis are Semites, while the Palestinians are. So by not boycotting them they could equally be seen as Anti-Semitic(tm) if not more so.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

What "lecturers" are these? Does this mean two musicians lecturing on hip-hop music or is this boycott something more meaningful? Not only should every acedemic boycott Israeli Univeristies but all employees of any company offering a retirement or investment plan should insist that they divest of Israeli firms, banks, farms, etc., or any other company or financial institution doing business with Israel.

[Delbrück]

Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff

Not only should every acedemic boycott Israeli Univeristies but all employees of any company offering a retirement or investment plan should insist that they divest of Israeli firms, banks, farms, etc., or any other company or financial institution doing business with Israel.

I thought you were comming over.well, you missed a great dinner last night.
OK, you made a statement (and that goes for the Elsasser too). Now, please explain why. Why should the world boycott Israel.

[Delbrück]

Originally Posted by Milesian

I don't see it as being Anti-Semitic(tm). Not all Israelis are Semites, while the Palestinians are. So by not boycotting them they could equally be seen as Anti-Semitic(tm) if not more so.

I think it's obvious that the term "anti semitism" means "anti Jewish", and in any case that's not the issue.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Delbrück

University lecturers have voted to boycott two of Israel's eight universities over their alleged complicity with Israeli persecution of Palestinians.

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... four boycott motions is directed against an alleged case of Palestinian land confiscation by the Hebrew University in November 2004. It calls for AUT members to boycott the university "Until it calls a halt to all attempts to confiscate land from Palestinian families."

Hebrew University spokesperson Orit Sulitzeanu responded by saying that the complaints raised against the Hebrew University lack foundation.

Hebrew University denied that the Palestinian families in question have any claim to the contested land.

I wonder whether those pro-Arab (and perhaps in the closet anti semites) leftists would ever do the same to Chinese or Russian universities. Hypocrites.

Of course that Israelis do believe that those Palestinian families have no rights to their land.. who is being hypocritical here?

"We are very flattered," Yehoshua added, "by the expectation that Israel remain unblemished. But there is a great distance between academic dialogue and an academic boycott. If they cared to dialogue with Israeli academics and intellectuals, they would discover how many of them have been struggling for years against the occupation and for recognition of a Palestinian state, even in a very complex situation of war and terror. Perhaps they would realize that part of the positive steps towards resolution of the conflict taken by the Israeli government are the result, in part, of such intellectuals' efforts... "

Isn't it much more hypocritical to attempt to portray Israeli institutions as fighters for the rights of the Palestinians, only because a relatively small number of them have done such claims, while the majority support the seizure of all lands from the Palestinians with official support?

And I imagine that the situation of war and terror that this Yehoshua exposes here is not the situation under which thousands of Palestinian families live.


Maybe there are reasons why Jews maybe concern about this issue:

"Since April 2002, when more than 100 academics demanded a moratorium on European funding of Israeli universities, this disturbing campaign has been picking up steam."

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Delbrück

OK, you made a statement (and that goes for the Elsasser too). Now, please explain why. Why should the world boycott Israel.

You brought up the issue, so it is for you to do the explaining. So please tell us why should the world support Israel.

[Menydh]

Following the news article on the Jerusalem Post there are some interesting comments by some Americans:

Gil Hofmann, Montreal, Canada: The call for a boycott is outrageous. Universities are supposed to be places that support differences of opinions and maintain open minds in the spirit of learning and research. The hijacking of universities by political groups who are flogging their brand of politics and are trying to stifle debate and differences of opinion (in the guise of human rights) is untenable!

How much hypocrisy here! Aren't Israeli universities "hijacked" by one political stream of thinking, namely Zionism?

Reed D. Rubinstein, Washington, D.C., USA: Honestly, why do Israelis care what any Brit or Euro-dhimmi has to say? 60 years ago, nearly the whole continent essentially got together to help (or at least not hinder) Hitler in his plan to kill every Jew he could get his hands on. What made you think anything changed? These slime balls will support anyone - whether an "educated" commie or dirty, honor-killing, islamo-fascists - who is prepared to do violence to Jewish kids and the Jewish state.

Wake up. There is Israel, the United States, Australia, a few of the new Eastern European countries, and that is pretty much it. The rest of the world wants you (us) dead if possible.

Euro-dhimmi, hey? So if they don't support Israel's policies against the Palestinian people, they all of a sudden become tributaries of Islam? What a piece of nonesense.


And, have you forgotten to which group most of the "commie" leaders belonged to?

[Delbrück]

Aren't Israeli universities "hijacked" by one political stream of thinking, namely Zionism?

LOL
1. I guess you don't really know what's going on in the Israeli universities. Many lecturers are more anti Zionists than the Arabs, I kid you not.

2. I guess you don't really know that a great percentage of students in Haifa University are Arabs. There are Palestinians even in Ariel collage. look at the link. It's really easy to simplify the situation and see the Israelis as the villains (will discuss why people do that in another thread), but the story isn't as simple. here's the link, anyway:
http://www.pbase.com/image/42436890

[b]Euro-dhimmi, hey? So if they don't support Israel's policies against the Palestinian people, they all of a sudden become tributaries of Islam? What a piece of nonesense.

I agree. Although the radical European left is a Euro-dhimmi. They think they can appease the Muslims by slandering Israel, and even comeout very humane. But I suggest we talk again in about 50 years, when Spain and Britain will join the Arab league...

And, have you forgotten to which group most of the "commie" leaders belonged to?

And, have you forgotten to which group the leading capitalists belonged to?

[Delbrück]

Isn't it much more hypocritical to attempt to portray Israeli institutions as fighters for the rights of the Palestinians, only because a relatively small number of them have done such claims, while the majority support the seizure of all lands from the Palestinians with official support?

Palestinian lands? says who?

And I imagine that the situation of war and terror that this Yehoshua exposes here is not the situation under which thousands of Palestinian families live.

I don't envy the Palestinians, but when you use terror to achieve political goals, you have to pay a price. "understanding" their terror is dangerous, because it proves terror works. You think you're immune in peaceful Spain? Think again. These guys aren't as humane as the Basques, but I guess you really want to learn that the hard way. Good think the right wing in Europe is waking up.

[Delbrück]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You brought up the issue, so it is for you to do the explaining. So please tell us why should the world support Israel.

But I asked first

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Delbrück

Palestinian lands? says who?

Says anyone with even a passing knowledge of the history of that land.

I don't envy the Palestinians, but when you use terror to achieve political goals, you have to pay a price.

The zionist state, founded by terror, is paying that price.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Delbrück

OK, you made a statement (and that goes for the Elsasser too). Now, please explain why. Why should the world boycott Israel.

Because Israel is a terrorist State which stole Palestinian lands and persecutes Christians, and especially because Israel is the best ally of the USA.

[Delbrück]

Originally Posted by Reinhold Elstner

Says anyone with even a passing knowledge of the history of that land.


The zionist state, founded by terror, is paying that price.

It all depends where you get your history lessons. If you get them from the likes of Edwrad Said, and can't process them in an intelligent manner, then of course you'll think Israel is a Nazi-terroristic state.
Both side have thier version of history, and the truth is somewhere in between. I'm curious to know why you're so passionate about the Israeli-Palestinia issue and why you're so inclined to completely buy the Arab version.

[Delbrück]

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

Because Israel is a terrorist State which stole Palestinian lands and persecutes Christians, and especially because Israel is the best ally of the USA.

Israel is a terrorist state? mmm... I wonder what your definition for terror is.

Stole Palestinian lands? look at what I wrote to Reinhold.

Persecutes Christians? really? when? where? to my knowledge, the Christians are more persecuted by the Muslims. Hamas, which is a very strong faction of Palestinian politics is pan-Islamic, and I'm sure you know that Islamic extremists regard Christians (and Jews) as Dhimmis and not as equals.
By the way Elsasser, I thought you of all people would know Arabs Islam better, because your big city (Strassburg) already looks like the Maghreb.

and the USA is evil?? Do you preferrer the Russians, or perhaps the Iranians as your allies?

You have a very strong opinion on the matter. I think it's good, even if it's not like mine, as long as you know what you're talking about, and as long as you refrain from hollow dogmatic slogans.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

Originally Posted by Delbrück

I thought you were comming over.well, you missed a great dinner last night.
OK, you made a statement (and that goes for the Elsasser too). Now, please explain why. Why should the world boycott Israel.

OK, let me jot down some random thoughts but before I do please allow me to disclaim that this response constitutes any complete list of crimes or misdeeds involving Israelis:

Israel is based on a lie, the lie of the holocaust. That lie is pushed so that funds can be had or extorted from other people. Check the gross national product of Israel. The last time I could find statistics, Israel had a GNP of 8 billion (US). This was probably in the 1970s. Nevertheless, the USA provided 3 billion up front, and 3 billion in arms gifts. Germany provided another 1 billion.

Israelis stole their country from the Palestinians. They did so by using two methods. First, the invented "terrorism". They did exactly what they now accuse Hamas of doing, bombing and killing "innocent civillians". Secondly, Israel came into being by bribery. They bribed or blackmailed Harry Trumand and probably some British lawmakers into agreeing with their idea of an ethnically pure country in place of Palestine. They expelled the Palestinians by gunpoint to do this which we now call ethnic cleansing. Israel says it needs this money to provide for its "security", meaning to insulate themselves from the actions of the people they stole their "country" from. Israel, to this day, is run by nothing more than gangsters and thugs. The Fat Pig himself has been indited for war crimes and will be sought for trial once he leaves office.

Since they invaded Lebenon, Israel has been guilty, DAILY, of killing innocent people to further its cause. Some are killed in the streets of the occupied territory as we have all seen on televison, some are murdered in their homes in far away countries for simply having the nerve to oppose this brutal tyranny. Dr. Gerald Bull is a good example of such a murder. And because Israel greases (I hope you understand this term because it is so accurate) politicians in every country, these murderers are never brought to justice.

Delbrueck, I am getting tired of writing, but I can tell you details of bibery and illegal activity concering the USA in fund raising for our internal political candidates as well as the funding of Israel and how that pipeline is maintained if you, or others, are interested. Do you want to discuss how they have used my country twice in recent years to fight their wars?

My country behaves badly but not as badly as the Israelis and their Zionist lobby. In my 57 years on this planet, I have met no Jews that weren't Zionists. I do understand there are a couple of these, Norman Finkelstein and another writer whose name I forget, but mostly, what I say about Jewish support for Israel is true. Therefore and since I am anti-Zionist, I find no problem in saying I am anti-Jewish also. Let's not sugar-coat this by saying "anti-Semitic", that is THIER term, not mine. I have nothing against Semites if they are non-Jewish.

But I can go further. You see, in my country the vast mass of my countrymen who inhabit the midlands think of themselves as Fundamentalist Christians. These people believe, among other things, that aiding Jews, the Chosen Race who automatically go to heaven regardless of crimes, insures their place in heaven also. In other words sticking their heads up a Jew's ass is a good thing. These people are also rabbid Zionists, even though they are Christians. These Zio-Christians are also on my personal shit list and I have no possible use in life for these morons.

So, do I want to boycott a bunch of criminals who run an illegal country and daily work against my interests? I honestly TRY my very best to damage these people daily.

I don't know if my strident views on this subject disqualify me from membership here but one must be true to himself first.