Islamic Europe -vs- Materialist Europe

[Martín Zalacaín]

It appears to me that the tendence in Europe is towards total materialism. Churches are empty, people is pleasure-obssessed, religions are just anachronic remains of the past.

Not that I think it is very feasible, but one of the possibilities for the european future is Islam. Imagine that somehow muslims take control and the european population converts en masse to Islam. Would that be worst than nihilism? Would a muslim Europe be worst than a materialist Europe?

Please, reason your answer.

[Marcus Marulus]

Revival of the Christian faith is still possible, I wouldn't write it off.

[Martín Zalacaín]

Yes, yes, I'm not writing it off. I want the people here to choose between materialism and Islam. Imagine that, somehow, you were forced to choose between the two.

[Marcus Marulus]

False dilemma, improbable dilemma...maybe this is not a dilemma at all, but two mutually complimentary processes. The modern European, what you call, "materialism" (but it is not only the materialism, it is a complex phenomenon composed where there is vulgar materialism at work, but also some evil "spiritual" components) leeds straightforward to the dissolution of European culture, civilization and nations, in order for some new order, a cesspool (like modern multi-everything USA) to be created, whereby Islam would be one of the main components (maybe preponderant?), but possibly not the only one.

[Pirate]

Islamic Europe in that way would mean something like it is in Bosnia now. Or something near that. Materialism means a slow decay of a nation and it's people. So the first option is better. Still it would be a complete disaster. After all it would be materialism which would get us into this place in the first place (supose it happens).

Anyway, I didn't answer to any option in the poll as the texts next to it were bothering me a little. Maybe I'll vote for 2nd option if there wasn't that thing about pork, since I like pork.

[Pro Hibernia]

I would rather the absence of God than worship a false God.

[Marcus Marulus]

Because of this,

Matthew 16,18:

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

I think Christian faith will never disappear in Europe.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Leipreachán

I would rather the absence of God than worship a false God.

Absence of God is impossible.

[Pro Hibernia]

Originally Posted by Marulus

Absence of God is impossible.

I meant in the context of the Nation.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Leipreachán

I meant in the context of the Nation.

You wanted to say: of religion/faith?

As for me, I still consider it false dilemma and refuse to take any of the two "solutions" offered. I stay undecided on the issue.

[Pro Hibernia]

Originally Posted by Marulus

You wanted to say: of religion/faith?

Yes that's a better way to put it.

[Martín Zalacaín]

Originally Posted by Leipreachán

I would rather the absence of God than worship a false God.

The Islamic God is the same God than the Christian God, worshipped differently.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Gonzalvus

The Islamic God is the same God than the Christian God, worshipped differently.

It is the same God, but worshipped in the wrong way.

[Martín Zalacaín]

Originally Posted by Marulus

The same God, but worshipped in the wrong way.

Right. Specially from a christian viewpoint.

[Gavril]

Or a European viewpoint.

None of the poll options match my opinion. I will never bow to a false god, no matter what disguise it is wearing.

[Martín Zalacaín]

Originally Posted by Faustas

Or a European viewpoint.

None of the poll options match my opinion. I will never bow to a false god, no matter what disguise it is wearing.

You mean that the muslim God is false? He is supposed to be the same than the christian one.