The northern outpost of Islam

[Engelbrecht]

Luleå in northern Sweden could be the northern outpost of Islam.

The commune representatives wants to sell the Midgård School´s building.

The Islamic Association wants to buy to create an Islamic Centre with worlds most northern mosque.

- "The facilities are good and is cetrally located." says Baby Thein, the chairman of the Islamic Association.

- "At the moment we are 1 000 muslims only here in Luleå and at the friday prayers we can only host about 50 people in our current facilities." says Baby Thein.

If the muslim overtakes the old school they plan to build a mosque.

- "If we build a mosque we must also build a minaret where we can announce our prayer times. That is important." says Baby Thein.

If the mosque is built Luleå it will be the worlds most northern mosque.


Source in Swedish: NSD / Nyheter Lördag 2007-11-17: "Luleå kan bli islams nordligaste utpost"


I have translated some chosen excerpts from an article in the swedish newspaper Norrländska Socialdemokraten.

Luleå is a town in northern Sweden with about 45 000 citizens.

Personally I think it´s a great irony that the name of the school is Midgård - the home of the humans in old norse mythology.

[3rdEye]

The correlation between nationalist sympathies and Swedish geography is the exact opposite to what some people think (no pun intended, just criticising an existing stereotype).

It is in the west/southwest, south and around the capital that most nationalists are, in Götaland, Skåne and Svealand that is, and not just in absolute numbers but also by percent. The Ostsee coast north of Svealand is known to be particularly dominated by marxist ideologies, and so it's not at all surprising that a place like Luleå may well become the first small town with a mosque.

Luleå has 45 467 inhabitants (as of 2005); the commune has 73 313 inhabitants (as of 2006).
Luleå - Wikipedia, den fria encyklopedin
Luleå kommun - Wikipedia, den fria encyklopedin

[Engelbrecht]

Originally Posted by Seekers

The correlation between nationalist sympathies and Swedish geography is the exact opposite to what some people think (no pun intended, just criticising an existing stereotype).

So it is. My analyze is that this is due to the demographic fact that northern Sweden has a particulairly high degree of working class citizens.

Originally Posted by Seekers

The Ostsee coast north of Svealand is known to be particularly dominated by marxist ideologies, and so it's not at all surprising that a place like Luleå may well become the first small town with a mosque.

No, it´s not surprising. They have kept their marxist view in an ethnically homogenious environment. They haven´t encountered the everyday problems with immigration yet, as have the people in the areas you mention above.

The question is, how can we make them aware? Can we at all before it´s too late?

[Menydh]

I don't know the area, so I can only speculate. Please, correct me where I'm wrong.

By looking at the map, it seems to me as if it might be a semi-isolated area. The population looks fairly small for the standards that must be further south.

From what you say, it would appear that they are inexperienced in this business of hosting a large Muslim population that keeps growing year after year, while the local native population decreases and society degrades as more room is taken up to accommodate the immigrant population.

I wouldn't be surprised if you agreed in that in such populations a first contact with a growing immigrant population gives them a strange sense of.. cosmopolitanism at home?

It occurs to me that an idea would be to make a video of the towns/cities in the South with a longer and larger established Muslim immigrant population, like Stockholm and Malmö, showing them the crude reality of the neighbourhoods degraded by the massive presence of immigrant, inserting press news items of the "wonders" derived from this situation (I don't need to tell you..), etc.

In other words, slap them with enough bits of harsh reality and, further, make sure at the end of it that they understand that the impact over a smaller and more isolated population, is likely to be so many times worse.

How you broadcast a video like that one depends much on your human and financial resources. And how far you are allowed to go with it, without exposing yourselves more than what is strictly necessary. A conference "in situ", if you know people there willing to organize such an event. But still a conference would fall short from warning enough people, without more help. This could well come through giving away DVD copies of the video, which should not necessarily be handed out on the streets, one by one, but which could be given to people to give them away in a pyramidal way.

Needless to say, whatever you record and whatever you use for the video, make sure that it is as legal as possible. You wouldn't even need to make a political manifesto on the video. Just a documentary, like you would do for tourist purposes. The reality is telling enough, and an image is worth more than thousand words.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Engelbrecht

The question is, how can we make them aware? Can we at all before it´s too late?

The "it is too late" is unfortunately a necessary evil. No one will start seeing things until it is too late, and nothing will be done until it is too late.

Consider that "too late" in this context means that you must count beforehand with a fair number of "casualties", or "losses".

Planning ahead and preparing for the moment when things will be "too late" is, in my opinion, more important than raving in the present moment when nothing gets done.

But of course that whether you go for one or for the other, the moment is now either to rave or to get ready for what is to come.

[Engelbrecht]

A very good reflection, Mynydd. After reading your post I had to think if there are any nationalistic movements active in the area. I instantly came to think of one - Nationalsocialistisk Front.

When I checked it up I found out that they are about to perform a campain pretty much like the concept you prestented, although they are working with posters.
Den Svenske Nationalsocialisten - Moské planeras i Luleå (in Swedish)

I shall concider contacting them to present the idea of a movie.

Maybe something like this? A clip from Fox News shown in Swedish National Television.

+ YouTube Video

[Menydh]

Well, yes. You have lots to choose from: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
plus you can take your own shots yourself.

How long lasts that video? 2 minutes at best? That's fine for the internet, because of download times and bandwidth. But on a DVD you have plenty more room, to make a composition.

The way I've heared that things are in Sweden, you might have only one chance. So make the best out of it.

Above all, remember that you do not need to expose yourself unnecessarily. You are pointing at all times at a matter of concern for the rights to preservation of the native (indigenous) peoples there, not with some form of hate speech and racism. Do have it present at every step. The line can often be thin.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Above all, remember that you do not need to expose yourself unnecessarily. You are pointing at all times at a matter of concern for the rights to preservation of the native (indigenous) peoples there, not with some form of hate speech and racism. Do have it present at every step. The line can often be thin.

This might give you an idea of what I mean

UNPFII - United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues

Beware that the declaration does not constitute a legal binding and, further, it does with almost all certainty not apply to groups that are not declared as endangered by the UN. But still it can serve as a guideline to things to consider.

[Gladstone]

Perhaps too, Engelbrecht, if people could realise the history of cheap labor. Cheap labor, a variant of slavery, is central to the ideology of multi-culturalism, and cheap labor's origin is quite literally in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. What drives this exploitation among any people is the greed and self-centeredness of a relative few. The 95% plus bogus 'asylum seekers' act as a fig leaf.

These elites couldn't tell people the truth about all the social destruction they are seeing as people would not support it, instead they tell people they are seeing 'the building of a brotherhood of man'.

They've got to be amazed at just how many have believed.

[Menydh]

Well, yes. But there is something that I think that it is important to notice to what Gladstone has said.

Your goal is to deliver a very specific message for very specific reasons, and to a general audience. So it is important that the message is delivered in the clearest way that it is possible, avoiding distractions from the main focus.

This is similar to what I often argue with people about the need to separate ideals and ideological scopes from political targets. The failure to do so results always in the worse results, I'm afraid. People's problems are very specific and they are well delimited. So they want simple solutions to them, no complex and detailed accounts about how things should be made run, ideally. Certainly not on a first contact.

Of course what you are mentioning is not ideology, strictly speaking. But it does lie somewhere in between ideology and politics. And it takes to a deeper and therefore more complex level what is per se very simple.

[Marcus Marulus]

In the light of Gladstone's remark, maybe it would be more useful to embed the concern about immigration into a wider context of the struggle against the evil system that is promoting the immigration in the first place (combination of hypercapitalism and Marxism) and that is actively helping in the creation of such "wonderful" neighbourhoods like those in Malmö and Göteborg.

[Menydh]

I'm afraid that this is one problem that repeats itself, over and over again.

Your goal is not to try to explain them the roots of the problem. The moment that you start doing so, the moment that you are diverting things to fields where people are less interested to listen.

What you have to do is to achieve a first impact, as effective as possible. Then slap people with reality and keep it simple. You will have time to go more in depth at another time, through another channel.

And because you want to make it simple and easy to understand, you use the power of the image.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I'm afraid that this is one problem that repeats itself, over and over again.

Your goal is not to try to explain them the roots of the problem. The moment that you start doing so, the moment that you are diverting things to fields where people are less interested to listen.

What you have to do is to achieve a first impact, as effective as possible. Then slap people with reality and keep it simple. You will have time to go more in depth at another time, through another channel.

And because you want to make it simple and easy to understand, you use the power of the image.

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