Hey.

[Delbáeth]

Hello. I just found the forum by following a link from Irish Nationalism - Powered by vBulletin. I like what I see so far. I'm 15, and I stay in Scotland. My family heritage is Scotch, Irish, and Welsh. I don't have any set politics except for the preservation of my Heritage and Culture. So, I look forward to getting to know some of you.

Regards,
Jp.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Fàilte, caraid.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Plethon

Fàilte, caraid.

Slàinte mhòr agad!

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by ScottishResistance

I don't have any set politics except for the preservation of my Heritage and Culture.

I believe that everyone on this board would agree that we're devoted to preserve these values as well.

Welcome to the forum.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Monolith

I believe that everyone on this board would agree that we're devoted to preserve these values as well.

Welcome to the forum.

Thanks very much mate .

[Strengthandhonour]

It's good to see a Scot that values his roots and heritage.
Now let me ask you, what is this aryanism under your politics though?

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

It's good to see a Scot that values his roots and heritage.
Now let me ask you, what is this aryanism under your politics though?

Like I said in my introduction, I don't have any set politics, rather a desire to preserve my peoples Heritage, Culture, and Customs, thats the Pan-Celticism, as for the Pan-Aryanism, to show that I have a desire to preserve all of our Aryan brothers and sisters Heritage, Culture, and Customs aswell.

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[Aptrgangr]

Greetings and Welcome
It is good you also care for other Europeans, not all of them would love to be called Aryans though.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

Greetings and Welcome
It is good you also care for other Europeans, not all of them would love to be called Aryans though.

Oh yes, I can fully understand that. The stigma created by Hitlers 3rd Reich destoryed the beautiful words true meaning. Though, to say Indo-Europeanist would be a bit to long .

[Menydh]

Fàilte

I hope that you make yourself at home among us (and among the fine Irish chaps at Irish-Nationalism.net). We miss the presence of some Scots among us, to learn more about the Scottish identity.

And we hope that you will learn from us, too. We understand that people at first may think of such things as "white" or "aryan" as related to identity or to a broader concept of identity. Though this is a mistake.

Your identity (your ethnicity) is Scottish, or Gaelic, as far as I understand. White is, simply, a construct from the Anglo-Saxon colonies of North America which applied only to the English, and which is used nowadys in the US of America in a wider sense, for varied reasons. I suggest that you read this recent thread to get a better idea of how it all started: Benjamin Franklin and Colonial American Race Relations

As for Aryan, it is even less real the ideas that were spread about the Aryans in the past. More so for the peoples of the westernmost parts of Europe, whose ancestry has been genetically proved of ancient origins in their lands, dating back to the times of the Mesolithic. If there exists some heritage from the Aryans in Europe, this probably lies in some populations of Russia.

Our common bond is, simply, Europe, and the will to preserve the rich ethnic and spiritual variety of the free and sovereign nations of Europe.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by ScottishResistance

Though, to say Indo-Europeanist would be a bit to long .

There's been a lot of genetic studies dealing with the origins of the peoples who we are used to identify as Celtic (I'm not referring to the Kelts). I'm sure that you will find them interesting. The so-called Indo-European influence is weaker in Europe than it was supposed, and much weaker as you move to the west where the substratum is more ancient (sometimes called Paleo-European).

[Delbáeth]

First, yea the Ethnicity thing was an accident, I thought it was Race, I wasn't paying attention.

Anyways, I don't quite understand what you mean Mynydd. How so are the Celts not of Indo-European Origin ?, and what exactly displaced the Aryans in Europe. It is my understanding that modern day Whites are direct, or part descendant from the Indo-European invasions ?.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by ScottishResistance

First, yea the Ethnicity thing was an accident, I thought it was Race, I wasn't paying attention.

Anyways, I don't quite understand what you mean Mynydd. How so are the Celts not of Indo-European Origin ?, and what exactly displaced the Aryans in Europe. It is my understanding that modern day Whites are direct, or part descendant from the Indo-European invasions ?.

The name of Celtic peoples (notice again, Celtics and not Kelts) for the Gaelic and Brythonic speakers (or their descendents) does not tell the whole story of the genetic heritage of those peoples.

What the DNA studies are showing is that the main element that makes up the genetic pool of those Celtic speaking peoples (the substratum) is one native to those lands since the times of the Upper Paleolithic and the Mesolithic. That's long before the spread of the Celts. The Celts would not be a mass migration, but they were probably warriors who imposed themselves to the native substratum, as an adstratum, imposing also their language (or a mixed language between theirs and the language spoken by the natives) and part of their culture. So it was more a matter of 'aculturation' or culture spread.

Look at the following map. The red portions are the R1b Y-Chromosome (male line) DNA haplogroup. Its incidence is higher the farther you move west, and we can speculate that it coincides with the West Mediterranid and the Atlantid (anthropological) types. We could call it a "Western Race" of the European peoples.



If you notice, in the Island of Britain it is weaker in England except for its Western part. In the representation this must be Cornwall and, outside England, Wales. It is probably stronger also in Cumbria, as compared to all of Eastern England.

If you had a pie of only Eastern England, the incidence of R1b would show even weaker. This is because of the Anglo-Saxon invasions, as well as the Danish invasions in the North(-East) of England.

For Scotland, the incidence of R1b (red) is very high. The incidence of the I haplogroup (lilac) is with almost all certainty due to Viking invasions, as is in Ireland. The I Y-Chromosome haplogroup supposedly comes from the Old Germanics. The R1a (yellow) haplogroup is of Eastern European origin, assumedly of Old Slavonic origin. And the E3b (sky blue) of North African origin (not African as in Black African; it is supposed to be of the ancient Berbers, who were a Europoid [what you call "white"] people before they mixed with Sub-Saharan Africans [Blacks]).

To clear this mess a little, take these two things into account:

1. The migration of these haplogroups may have occur in historical times (eg., the Viking raids), proto-historical (eg., the Celtic invasions), or pre-historical (the Paleolithic and the Neolithic). And of course one same people may have brought more than only one haplogroup.
2. Where I've said "Old Germanic" or "Old Slavonic", these was a racial type and modern Germanics and Slavics, though they share a part of their genetic pool with these ancient peoples, do not necessarily carry the same genetic type, in full or in part. They are called Germanic or Slavic because they have languages and cultures that derive from the Old Germanics and Slavics. The same goes for Celtic.

Well, there is a lot of words, concepts and information in all of the above that are surely new to you, and often confusing. Take it one step at a time, and feel free to ask.

Also, beware that that is my own interpretation and that it does not necessarily coincide with how others interpret it. So you should contrast it with others.

[Menydh]

To add to the above, you will find here some internal links to articles of genetics related to the subject:

Haplogroup R1b and the enigma of the Iberian Peninsula and British Isles genetic continuum

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

To add to the above, you will find here some internal links to articles of genetics related to the subject:

Haplogroup R1b and the enigma of the Iberian Peninsula and British Isles genetic continuum

I want to read up on all of this, it is all knew to what i've ever read, or been told. I shall post my thoughts soon.

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