Hello!

[Like The Roman]

I'm new on here, and just wanted to say what a fantastic 'site this is!

I am an ethno-nationalist originally from England, now living north of the border. I am realtively new to ethno-nationalism, prior to joining the BNP less than a year ago, I had no knowledge at all of the subject. Reading the forums on here has made me realise how ignorant I am.

For example I have only just discovered who John R. Baker is! Would anybody care to write an article about him on Wikipedia, as there currently doesn't appear to be one. Can anybody recommend a good elementary book about ethnicity, eugenics and nationalism? I don't know where to start, to be honest. I'm quite overwhelmed by the information on here.

Thanks.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Fàilte!

[Silas]

Welcome to the forum mate!

[Menydh]

Hello, and welcome.

I feel that I must ask you how you perceive a relation between the BNP and ethno-nationalism, when the reality is that the BNP is bond to so-called white nationalism and even follows ideas which are aggressive to ethno-nationalism.

[Cirrus]

Welcome here !

[Susi]

Welcome!

I would not say that the BNP is entirely desireable (due to its lack of ethno-nationalism, rather "white" nationalism)... but each to their own, I guess.

[Like The Roman]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Hello, and welcome.

I feel that I must ask you how you perceive a relation between the BNP and ethno-nationalism, when the reality is that the BNP is bond to so-called white nationalism and even follows ideas which are aggressive to ethno-nationalism.

I'm not sure I fully understand, please excuse my ignorance. The BNP is committed to advancing the interests of the white, indigenous (ie. British) peoples - the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh. I can't see how they could possibly be considered 'aggressive to ethno-nationalism'. Perhaps you could elaborate a little, perhaps give an example of their policies that led you to this conclusion.

Thanks for your welcome, by the way. I don´t suppose you can recommend any decent books?

[Like The Roman]

Originally Posted by Susi

Welcome!

I would not say that the BNP is entirely desireable (due to its lack of ethno-nationalism, rather "white" nationalism)... but each to their own, I guess.

Hi Susi!

Please view my reply to Mynydd. I am afraid, as I mentioned, I am new to the whole ideology. The difference between the white nationalism and ethno-nationalism is self-explanatory, really - however the BNP are fighting for 'race and nation' and consider themselves to be ethno-nationalists or British nationalists, I believe.

[Galaico]

Originally Posted by Like The Roman

Hi Susi!

Please view my reply to Mynydd. I am afraid, as I mentioned, I am new to the whole ideology. The difference between the white nationalism and ethno-nationalism is self-explanatory, really - however the BNP are fighting for 'race and nation' and consider themselves to be ethno-nationalists or British nationalists, I believe.

Welcome LTR!

The concept of ethnicity and nation can sometimes be very subjective, most people here (including our members from the British Isles) don't consider Britain as a nation, but as an artifitial union of different nations: England, Alba, Cymru and occupied Eire.

[Menydh]

It has a long record of promoting open, unnecessary and uncalled for hostility against Southern European countries, through prominent party members/advisors. This has been done through the spread of a mixture of manipulation of history and distorted interpretation of genetic data. For it they have used their own web as well as their share in white supremacist boards (which well-known BNP members finance and co-control) such as Stormfront.

There has also been an (unofficial) policy of internet yobbing by BNP ordinary members/cyber-thugs.

The relation of this to "ethnic nationalism" and to the issue of non European immigration in Britain remains to this day unexplained and unclear. All I can conclude from judging the facts is that it is nothing but an extension of BNP thuggish nature on the internet.

Interesting to notice, before this was even known, the BNP had the little decency of asking Nationalists from at least one of those countries (namely Democracia Nacional, in Spain) to campaign on their behalf among the British immigrants in that country.

In the future, a campaign to warn the large British immigrant community in Spain against the BNP thuggery, is something that should be considered.

You might also want to consider that the Irish and the Scotts, the Welsh, and the English are different ethnicities. And that at least the Irish would very much appreciate it if the "British" got off their backs for a change.

"British" is a political construct derived from an imperialist past, not an ethnic/national identity. English is an ethnic/national identity.

[Aptrgangr]

Greetings & Welcome

[Like The Roman]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It has a long record of promoting open, unnecessary and uncalled for hostility against Southern European countries, through prominent party members/advisors. This has been done through the spread of a mixture of manipulation of history and distorted interpretation of genetic data. For it they have used their own web as well as their share in white supremacist boards (which well-known BNP members finance and co-control) such as Stormfront.

There has also been an (unofficial) policy of internet yobbing by BNP ordinary members/cyber-thugs.

The relation of this to "ethnic nationalism" and to the issue of non European immigration in Britain remains to this day unexplained and unclear. All I can conclude from judging the facts is that it is nothing but an extension of BNP thuggish nature on the internet.

Interesting to notice, before this was even known, the BNP had the little decency of asking Nationalists from at least one of those countries (namely Democracia Nacional, in Spain) to campaign on their behalf among the British immigrants in that country.

In the future, a campaign to warn the large British immigrant community in Spain against the BNP thuggery, is something that should be considered.

You might also want to consider that the Irish and the Scotts, the Welsh, and the English are different ethnicities. And that at least the Irish would very much appreciate it if the "British" got off their backs for a change.

"British" is a political construct derived from an imperialist past, not an ethnic/national identity. English is an ethnic/national identity.

I sense a little hostility here! The BNP has changed a lot over the last few years, and being a relatively new member of the party I can't comment on past events. However, I assure you we have nothing to do with Stormfront, our members are not actually permitted to post on there. Please do not see either the board, or any of its members as being representative of the BNP - they're considered to be 'nutzis' by us.

Both the BNP and myself are aware of the various ethnicities that are indigenous to the British Isles, however we should unite as peoples to stop the destruction of our lands. We also have a common culture and a shared recent history, do not forget.

[OneEnglishNorman]

Originally Posted by Like The Roman

Both the BNP and myself are aware of the various ethnicities that are indigenous to the British Isles, however we should unite as peoples to stop the destruction of our lands. We also have a common culture and a shared recent history, do not forget.

Unite to stop the destruction of the English, Irish, Welsh, Scottish?

Respectfully, that's like saying we should add more salt to soup to make it taste less salty.

If you say the BNP can be useful in the short-term, that's one thing. But really there is nothing healthy or sustainable in British nationalism. The end is already in sight. Better we are politically separate, then we do not have to concern ourselves with blaming the others in the Union for whatever is wrong, or arguing over Scottish ruling England or vice versa.

[Menydh]

I've heard about the BNP having changed before, always by BNP members. Yet I sense no real changes and can still point to signs of the same old tune being still there, very present.

It is true, however, that the BNP realized long ago that their thuggery nature puts off the British public, even when the situation in Britain is a perfect cultivation medium for the growth of an anti-immigration party. And so they've tried to sell the tune of a change that is unreal.

What you say about Stormfront and the BNP is contradictory with the information that I have. And that includes the liaisons developed with the latest WN group created in America after the dissolution of National Vanguard following the arrest of its owner for posession of child pornography.

And though this is not of my business, I would point you to the validity of OEN's comment with regards to what you call "the various ethnicities native to the British Isles".

Even the short-term usefulness of the BNP of which OEN speaks I believe that it is a mistaken perception. The reason why I say this is because of home experience here, for different reasons but still with a similar analysis.

[Like The Roman]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I've heard about the BNP having changed before, always by BNP members. Yet I sense no real changes and can still point to signs of the same old tune being still there, very present.

It is true, however, that the BNP realized long ago that their thuggery nature puts off the British public, even when the situation in Britain is a perfect cultivation medium for the growth of an anti-immigration party. And so they've tried to sell the tune of a change that is unreal.

I see. Tell me, when were you last at a BNP meeting? Don't you think it's rather arrogant of you to tell me that the party of which I am a member hasn't actually undergone the reformation it claims to have?

We held our Red, White and Blue Festival this year, and three thousand members and supporters joined in with the festivities - it was a family day out, with childrens' activities, speeches and cake stalls, because that's the type of member we have - decent, patriotic Britons. We currently have 9,000 members, whereas just three years ago we had less than 5,000, ten years ago there were around 1,000, so I think it's safe to say the party has changed!

What you say about Stormfront and the BNP is contradictory with the information that I have. And that includes the liaisons developed with the latest WN group created in America after the dissolution of National Vanguard following the arrest of its owner for posession of child pornography.

BNP members are not supposed to frequent Stormfront, we have our own forum that we use. Of course some BNP members do still post on there, or at least posters claiming to be BNP members post on there (I'm certain some are genuine, whilst others are lefties look to sully the party's image).

Apart from being the incumbent, Griffin has another few advantages. He has plenty of money and no doubt will be zooming all over the place kissing babies and shaking hands wherever he is invited to do so. Also, while denying Jackson the opportunity of getting his message out to the members, he has an excellent and continuing opportunity in the form of the nazi Stormfront forum. In spite of being proscribed to BNP members, Stormfront is packed with them and has shown a very clear bias over the last couple of months since news of the challenge became known by closing any anti-Griffin/pro-Jackson threads and, over the past couple of weeks at least, closing any thread that dared to highlight or discuss the epidemic of corruption at the top of the BNP

Kirklees Unity Exposing the Far Right: BNP Leadership Challenge Update

That's from a red site, even our enemies acknowledge that the BNP has attempted to cut all ties with that hideous, moronic forum.

And though this is not of my business, I would point you to the validity of OEN's comment with regards to what you call "the various ethnicities native to the British Isles".

Even the short-term usefulness of the BNP of which OEN speaks I believe that it is a mistaken perception. The reason why I say this is because of home experience here, for different reasons but still with a similar analysis.

I am Anglo-Irish, like many, many 'English' people. I am in favour of the home countries governing their own affairs, however I believe that right now we should concentrate on winning Britain back for the British people. We should pool our resources and build a strong, credible nationalist party - united we stand!

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Like The Roman

BNP members are not supposed to frequent Stormfront, we have our own forum that we use. Of course some BNP members do still post on there, or at least posters claiming to be BNP members post on there (I'm certain some are genuine, whilst others are lefties look to sully the party's image).

What about Andy Robertson aka JohnJoyTree? Is he still member of the BNP?

[Like The Roman]

Originally Posted by Plethon

What about Andy Robertson aka JohnJoyTree? Is he still member of the BNP?

I have no idea, I know that the party are desperately trying to rid themselves of members who post on there, firstly because many of them are obsessed with Jews and conspiracy theories. Here's an extract from The Chairman's Column:

Another element is best described as the conspiracy theory cranks. Yes, sadly we’ve still got a few of them and, thanks to the power of the Internet and selective observation to make strange theories appear superficially convincing, the odds are that we’ll always find a few of them cropping up. I declared war on these people and their insane and politically disastrous obsession with “the Jews” in a major article on the BNP site back in March 2006. Much of the mud-slinging directed against me in the run up to and during the leadership election has come from this small but Internet-noisy group.

There are two reasons for this hostility. First, my actual arguments in that article were incontrovertible – not one of the Judeo-Obsessives was able to produce an intellectually coherent response – but they are unable to adapt to real life and so are particularly full of hate towards me for pointing out the weakness of their position. Conspiracy theories are, by their very nature, more akin to religious faith than anything else, hence True Believers are prone to getting very upset when their Faith is challenged.

In the recent leadership election, it was this band of nutzis that led the campaign against Griffin.

Dealing with the BNP Leadership election first, now that it is over I can say what could not decently be said during the contest: The challenge was not a genuinely legitimate one from a candidate with the genuine ability to run this party as it is, let alone take it further forward. It was a pathetic, pitiful, desperate attempt to cause trouble for the most modernised and most successful nationalist party in British history by a handful of cranks left over from the BNP’s most sterile past, aided and abetted by a gaggle of Hollywood Nazis, congenital losers and thieves.

Personally, I think he sums up the Stormfront contingent very well with that last sentence.