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McConnell: 'Come to Scotland'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4163471.stm
The next stage of the scheme to attract young people to work in Scotland has been set out by the first minister. Jack McConnell launched the Relocation Advisory Service in Glasgow, which offers support and advice. It is part of the Scottish Executive's Fresh Talent plan to help reverse the population decline. The service has already taken 1,000 calls from people overseas, most of which were about visas, work permits, housing and other relating information. Six staff are employed by the service, including two secondees from the Home Office and the Immigration Advisory Service UK. Most of the queries came from the US, India, Poland and Nigeria. Mr McConnell also announced that the two-year visas being offered to overseas students will apply to diploma students as well as graduates. There will be a new government fund to help universities and colleges mentor overseas students and encourage them to settle in Scotland. This will be open to all Scottish higher and further education institutions. The first awards will be made in time for the start of the new academic year in 2005. Mr McConnell said: "Tackling our declining population is a priority for the Scottish government which is why I want Scotland to be the most welcoming country in the world." 'Net importer' Labour MSP Pauline McNeill's Glasgow Kelvin constituency is home to more universities and colleges than anywhere else in Scotland. She said: "It's only part of the policy in trying to prevent the decline in Scotland's population. It can only have a limited effect. "We need to look at other policies, such as how we increase the birth rate and perhaps reduce the death rate. This is only part and parcel of an overall policy. "There's no other European country attempting to do this. "The overall question is the attractiveness of staying in a country. That's why the broader policies of the executive have to be successful in making Scotland a place where people want to live and work." The MSP said: "Scotland is a net importer of students. We have a higher proportion of overseas students who apply to Scotland, so we have a good base to start from." Dying population But the initiative has been criticised by economist Professor Robert Wright, of Stirling University. "It's generally just tinkering around the edges. Even the most optimistic projections of the success of this programme just don't generate enough people," he said. "The demographic problem in Scotland is very, very serious. The government is very näive to believe this problem can be solved by trying to retain a small number of foreign students." He warned: "The demographic situation now is putting a restraint on growth. The real constraint will come over the next decade when the potential labour force starts to decline quite rapidly. "Then we are going to see some of these aspects really bite and this could generate even lower rates of economic growth. It's almost like a spiral. "Some of the aspects of immigration policy have to be devolved and aspects of the Devolution Agreement have to be re-negotiated to allow Scotland to have more ability to attract and retain the type of people it needs for its economy to be successful."
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences 
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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The only way to end the population decline is with social benefits, like...
1/3 taxation for families with 3 or more childreen (required to be natives) in a given country. Something like that! It would work, if it doesn't work... politicians could decrease even more the tax, and increase in those unmarried or married with no sons!  Contraceptives was the most remarkable weapon against the europeans!
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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If it puts people off, it might be the best thing it has going for it
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Wednesday, January 12th, 2005
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Take it from me in sunny Australia, climate is not everything. Frankly I like Scotland's climates. The climate in Edinburgh doesn't make the cost of a terrace in the New Town any cheaper. I know since I have been trying to buy one for a while. What Scotland needs is jobs. Provide the jobs with good pay and families will move up in droves. They will soon forget the contraceptives and selfishness and procreate to their hearts content. I don't know too many people who wouldn't have four children if they could afford to. Unfortunately children are expensive, not to have, but to maintain and educate to university level. In Australia most couple don't have children because housing is expensive, the need for two incomes, the loss of extended family to help shoulder burdens, the high cost of educational accoutrements like computers, uniforms, excursions...My parents managed to bring up eight children on one source of income. Who can do that today?
Scotland is great. They don't need to import Nigerians or Indians. There are plenty of those Indians already in every pharmacy and newsagency.
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Thursday, January 13th, 2005
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I would love to live in Scotland though it seem work-wise it's hard for a fellow european to get used to living there. I really enjoy both the climate and I respect it's centuries old history. But in the end I love my country too much.
Perhaps some holidays there would be nice though.....
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Friday, January 14th, 2005
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One thing I miss is the oats porridge boiled in hot milk for breakfast. Funny, I know, but I liked them.
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accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.'  We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato–
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Friday, January 14th, 2005
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Porridge for breakfast! That goes into my the bad side of my childhood. Along with blackpudding, rice pudding, sago pudding and haggis. Wonderful stuff.
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Friday, January 14th, 2005
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